Interesting Story for Engine Mechanics

SeniorCitizen

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This was copied from another site. I thought you engine mechanics might like to test your skills at diagnosing the problem. There is a statement in about the middle of a sentence that gives a clue as to why this engine that ran so well at first and failed so soon. Being a one lunger, a V8 chevy, ford or a V12 Rolls makes no difference.
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Copied:I have a JD 312 with a Kohler K301. After 1700 hours, it finally broke the connecting rod, which oddly enough isn't the part I need help with. I've grown rather partial to this tractor, so rebuilding was a no brainer, but decided to tinker a little bit with it. Machine shop ended up going .030 over in the cylinder and had them deck the head by .040 to boost compression a little, new rod, piston, rings, reground cam, large base lifters, carb spacer, chevy points, msd blaster coil (with ballast resistor) and home grown valve job, porting and polishing. majority of the information for build found at www.gardentractorpullingtips.com and midwestsupercub.net.

So I get everything together, and it's running like a champ. Set timing statically with feeler gauge, then with timing light once running. Dialed in the carb, and everything just keeps sounding better and better. Let it run for a good 45 minutes at varying throttle positions (throttle changes VERY responsive), and it's running strong. Drive it around the house to put it in the shed for the night. Next day, choke, throttle, bump the key and fires right up. Driving around the house, the engine starts to race. I look up and see the governor shaft walking out the side of the block. Before I had time to get the throttle or key off, engine shut off. Stood up and reached forward to push governor shaft back in, bump key and starts right away. No noises, sounds normal. Maybe I got lucky? Idle around to the driveway where I have been working on it to fix the governor, which I forgot to put in the spacer sleeve on the shaft which was the cause of all this. Continued to do my last few things, install PTO, service deck, put sheet metal back on tractor etc. By this time it was getting late, and I didn't want to upset the neighbors by starting it up, so I covered with a tarp and left for the next day....

Next day, crank no start. Thats odd. Check connections, grounds, etc, end up finding no spark. Narrow that down to the coil. I knew the voltage regulator needed to be replaced, had one in my truck to put on, just hadn't yet. Over-rev maybe put too much to the coil and fried? Stranger things have happened I guess. New coil, check all connections, components, spark at spark plug. Try again. Crank no start, but one good backfire out the exhaust. Hmmmm. Double check timing, check. Pull plug and it's dark but cleaned up with a wire brush. No strange noises when cranking other then the starter getting unhappy about working so hard. Don't know what else to check, so I grab a compression tester from a friend, only reads 30-35psi. Seems awfully low, but don't know what the "before" reading was, and also with the compression relief on the cam? I don't know. Took the head off, expecting to find something bent or broken, almost disappointed that I didn't at this point. Piston and valves appear to be moving as they should, with no scoring on the cylinder walls, no marks/dings on the valves or seats and no evidence of anything impacting cylinder head. Reinstalled head and torqued. I knew I didn't really fix anything, but had to try anyway. Crank, no start. Double checked, getting spark and fuel. Both good. Pull valve cover and check valve movement and lash to make sure a valve isn't stuck open just a hair. No problem. At this point, I don't even know what else to check. I pull the motor back out of the tractor and drain the oil. Oil does have some very very fine metal flake in it, don't know if that's normal or not on a fresh rebuild as this is my first attempt at a small engine.
Pull off the oil pan, no debris or chunks in the pan. Visual inspection with a drop light, don't see anything odd with the cam or crank. Spin the motor over to find the cam and crank timing marks are still in line. When coming up on the compression stroke, I can hear the motor hissing compression into the crank case. Sounds like it's coming from the valve area. But here's where I wonder, is that normal due to the compression release on the cam, or have I found a problem that I didn't see from the valve cover or with the head off?
At this point, I'm so frustrated I really don't know what to do next and find I am second guessing everything I do or try to do. I don't want to just throw parts at this thing and hope I hit the problem, but short of replacing rings, valves and guides, I'm stuck. Anyone have any suggestions or words of wisdom for me? Any help is GREATLY appreciated.
 

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The fact that the engine has low compression and he can hear "hissing compression" into the crankcase raises a red flag. Compression should not leak into the crankcase. The compression release will open a valve just slightly and it will release compression out the exhaust, if the release is on the exhaust valve, and into the muffler not the crankcase. First guess would be cracked rings but he did mention that there were no score marks on the cylinder wall. During the compression stroke as the piston comes up and pressure builds in the cylinder/combustion chamber, pressure has only so many places it can leak such as head gasket, valve seats, rings, cracked head/block/piston. I'd say a little more dis-assembly and a whole lot more inspection.
 

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Forgot to add that a leak down test might be helpful in finding the cause of low compression.
 

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I wonder if he staggard the two comp rings. I have seen homeowner mechanics actually "align" the 2 comp ring gaps. Regardless, if it ran at first, something else is wrong. I don't understand how the governor shaft could come out. Thats a strange one.
 

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When you say port... "home grown valve job, porting and polishing" Exactly how much material did you remove?
 

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Excuse me, I had forgotten about this post and to clarify , this is not my engine.

The cause of this problem actually does lie in the statement " home grown valve job " the 2 clues are the compression readings and the 45 minutes. You may ask, what in the world would 45 minutes run time have to do with it ? Well, that's just about how long valve lapping compound takes to completely ruin a new set of rings when the mechanic doesn't know how to clean the residue compound when finished.

I'm sure there are those that disagree and say "I've used it all my life with no problems". That's ok with me but ask if lapping compound is used when building new engines. I highly doubt it and probably not for economic reasons.
 

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What is the history of overbore on your engine type, and how much wall thickness is left? Maybe magnaflux the bores if you have to come apart. Do such engines withstand hot rod tricks? :smile:
 
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