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But next year, it's on!!!!!

I couldn't get any help from the 30yr old teen ager that occupies part of the house. And so, the crab grass won this year.
I planted some bermuda seeds about 2 months ago, and quite a bit of that took off. But that was about the time the crab grass started showing it's ugly head. My plan was to kill the crab grass with vinegar, using a pump up sprayer. Which works pretty well. But there was just so much of it, I couldn't keep it at bay.
Next thing I knew, there were big patches of it. Between watering the bermuda seeds frequently, the vinegar just wasn't effective. Now the seeds have started coming up. And the 30yr old teen ager, instead of pulling the seeds before he mowed, just decided to do it the easy way and just mow. So all those seeds got mowed. UHG!!!!!!

So screw it. I'll just take on the battle next year. Try to catch the small spots early. Grab grass is pretty easy to pull, if you catch it when it's just coming up.
I think I've gotten rid of all the grassburs. At least 95% of them. I haven't seen one in a couple of weeks now.
But looking at the yard, and thinking about the billions of grab grass seeds that got mowed, is depressing. Was hoping to end that problem this year.

Fighting crabgrass is a losing battle in the first place. The seeds comes from everywhere; wind carries them, birds carry them, and they can lay dormant for years. I forgot for years against crabgrass in my gardens. Finally found 4EC pre-emergent that keep it down for up to three months in the garden but as soon the stuff become ineffective the crabgrass comes back. With it you can't reseed any type grass (including corn) until two weeks after application has passed.

For most summers it will take two applications during the year for crabgrass control. But 4EC is just what I used and there are other chemicals that can be used too.

Only good product I've used was the old Scotts weed and feed. I see now they have replaced it with their Turfbuilder stuff. Probably a friendly weakened product that doesn't work worth crap like all the other stuff on the market, but still triple priced. I've pretty much given up on the whole deal, mow it and forget it.

I have 4 acres and between the moles, the weeds and the lack of rain my yards is just a goat pasture. Pretty much just gave up. Last time i mowed i cut down 4' tall Queen Annes Lace and 1' tall buckhorn and no grass.
This weed behind my barn is over 6 feet tall. I got a lot of weeds taller than me.

I've seen a few weeds grow like that on our lease, there's one well above 8 feet tall.\
Knock it down with your hammer! ?

Hammermechanicman said:

I have 4 acres and between the moles, the weeds and the lack of rain my yards is just a goat pasture. Pretty much just gave up. Last time i mowed i cut down 4' tall Queen Annes Lace and 1' tall buckhorn and no grass. View attachment 53398
This weed behind my barn is over 6 feet tall. I got a lot of weeds taller than me.

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And I thought a little clover in my yard was a bad deal....

I was clearing some areas of my yard that hadn't been touched in several years. Aside from the density, I was impressed by how thick the stem was on some of the weeds. Don't know what they were, but some had stems over an inch thick, green, but almost wood like density. Had to use a brush cutter to get through them.

Hammermechanicman said:

I have 4 acres and between the moles, the weeds and the lack of rain my yards is just a goat pasture. Pretty much just gave up. Last time i mowed i cut down 4' tall Queen Annes Lace and 1' tall buckhorn and no grass. View attachment 53398
This weed behind my barn is over 6 feet tall. I got a lot of weeds taller than me.

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People on HGTV pay a fortune for "landscaping" like that. Add some running water and a couple big rocks and you could be on TV.

I guess i need to start looking for some big rocks.

Crab grass, when it's growing and green, is awesome. But then about the first of August, it starts dying and you can't keep it green. I tried a spot in my last yard, to just grow crab grass. Thought of maybe filling up the yard with it. But then it all turned brown.
The friggin root system on that stuff is like Don Kings hair.

make sure you know the difference between Dallis grass and crab grass.

At present, my go-to formula for spot treatment is 4 oz of Bonide (BND069) - Sedge Ender Weed Control Concentrate, plus, 2oz of Image 100099405 Kills Nutsedge Concentrate in a 1 gal pump. It has helped me a LOT with most standard problems (spurge and dandelions, etc.) as well as Crab grass and even sandspurs and asiatic dayflower. It can stress St. Augustine but I seem to have avoided that problem.

I also prefer Dithiopyr (Dimension) for a twice-yearly pre-em. Helps with Crab grass and sandspurs.

Dallis grass gets pulled or gets the RoundUp depending on where it is.

I now seem to have a very stiff, low/creeping, mat-forming woody weed in a few spots. small, linear leaves on green branching stems, the leaves are alternate. I niticed it recently when I mowed a little lower than normal - it is 'under' the St. Augustine. It grows sideways! Dunno what flowers or seeds look like. I don't have a lot of it, just can't ID it.

1 Lucky Texan said:

make sure you know the difference between Dallis grass and crab grass.

At present, my go-to formula for spot treatment is 4 oz of Bonide (BND069) - Sedge Ender Weed Control Concentrate, plus, 2oz of Image 100099405 Kills Nutsedge Concentrate in a 1 gal pump. It has helped me a LOT with most standard problems (spurge and dandelions, etc.) as well as Crab grass and even sandspurs and asiatic dayflower. It can stress St. Augustine but I seem to have avoided that problem.

I also prefer Dithiopyr (Dimension) for a twice-yearly pre-em. Helps with Crab grass and sandspurs.

Dallis grass gets pulled or gets the RoundUp depending on where it is.

I now seem to have a very stiff, low/creeping, mat-forming woody weed in a few spots. small, linear leaves on green branching stems, the leaves are alternate. I niticed it recently when I mowed a little lower than normal - it is 'under' the St. Augustine. It grows sideways! Dunno what flowers or seeds look like. I don't have a lot of it, just can't ID it.

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Cheap white vinegar, a little soap and a dash of salt kills everything. And it's all cheap.
My problem with the weeds is that I didn't get to them soon enough.

Any product that has Dimension in it or Barricade works very good as a pre emergent for crabgrass.
Here's one from Lesco

I just used Double Duty from Ace. Next spring, I think I'm going back to Hi-yield, less fertilizer.

PTmowerMech said:

Cheap white vinegar, a little soap and a dash of salt kills everything. And it's all cheap.
My problem with the weeds is that I didn't get to them soon enough.

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I do have Asiatic Dayflower coming up between foundation and patio so, I may try salt/vinegar there. Thanks.
But our little town's water is quite high in salt so, I'm reluctant to use any on the lawn. It gets more than enough from the sprinkler!

How do you get rid of Dallis Grass!!?? Digging is not an option, ground is like concrete (seriously) and there's a lot. Straight roundup concentrate on it or what? Someone with more experience help me out. What are the steps to a better lawn? Step one: purchase Flamethrower?

D_H said:

How do you get rid of Dallis Grass!!?? Digging is not an option, ground is like concrete (seriously) and there's a lot. Straight roundup concentrate on it or what? Someone with more experience help me out. What are the steps to a better lawn? Step one: purchase Flamethrower?

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I spent the last two weekends digging/pulling weeds and afterwards, I didn't need to mow because Ive never used fertilizer.

Why are we obsessed with trying to keep up with the Jones's and their golf course lawns? Who cares about dandelions and crab grass? Dig up your thistles and invasive mulberry bushes/trees. There are so many more important things to be concerned about during these times, so open your eyes and cancel censored platforms, like there trying to cancel you.

But I digress.. Spreading some granular barricade two times a year wouldn't take much time and honestly, thats what I was going to ask about.

D_H said:

How do you get rid of Dallis Grass!!?? Digging is not an option, ground is like concrete (seriously) and there's a lot. Straight roundup concentrate on it or what? Someone with more experience help me out. What are the steps to a better lawn? Step one: purchase Flamethrower?

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If you don't have a lot of them, then using your water hose (with a nozzle), soak the ground with high pressure, next to the base. On at least two sides. Wiggle the roots out, or dig with a shovel.
I only had about 10, so it didn't take me long. I had extra dirt (from the pasture) to fill in the holes.

D_H said:

How do you get rid of Dallis Grass!!?? Digging is not an option, ground is like concrete (seriously) and there's a lot. Straight roundup concentrate on it or what? Someone with more experience help me out. What are the steps to a better lawn? Step one: purchase Flamethrower?

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As stated above.

D_H said:

How do you get rid of Dallis Grass!!?? Digging is not an option, ground is like concrete (seriously) and there's a lot. Straight roundup concentrate on it or what? Someone with more experience help me out. What are the steps to a better lawn? Step one: purchase Flamethrower?

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1. Hire spray service for one year. Make sure they come back if you still have weeds between services. This will get your lawn turned around for not much fuss.

2.Then you can treat yourself. Pre-emergents are a must for grassy weeds like Dallis and crab. Ortho has good stuff at home e' cheapo you can use. Follow the directions to a T and use protective clothing.

What I've found out, I have 1/3 of an acre. Pricing is roughly the same hiring it out as me doing it. Talking about fert and sprays.

Stay clear of organic fertilizers like Milorganite. Way expensive and only have 5% nitrogen and a small bit of iron. Takes me 6 bags at around $18 each just for Milorganite alone. You are looking at 93% or 94% filler crap per bag of useless material you just paid for that does NOTHING for your grass.

Great fert value for a fast release nitro is Miracle Grow's yard forumla. Very high in nitro and other minerals for a cheap price. Hard to beat this stuff. All useful product and easy to load in the car.