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robertgeorgepalmer

I have a Toro SS5000. I replaced the starter and the starter solenoid. My battery is good. Now, when I turn the key, the engine cranks but does not start. When I turn the key off, the engine keeps cranking. I'm very confused. Maybe bad ignition switch?


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Rivets

From your limited description I suspect that you wired the solenoid wrong. Please post the serial number so I can find a wiring diagram for you.


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robertgeorgepalmer

From your limited description I suspect that you wired the solenoid wrong. Please post the serial number so I can find a wiring diagram for you.

From your limited description I suspect that you wired the solenoid wrong. Please post the serial number so I can find a wiring diagram for you.
It is a Standard. Model SS613. I can't get it to come up on their website. It is the type that is not mounted on the starter itself, but bolted to the frame of the mower. From what I understand, it doesn't matter which way they are wired as it is basically just a switch.


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Rivets

Model and serial numbers are located on the ID tag mounted on the frame under the seat.


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robertgeorgepalmer

Model and serial numbers are located on the ID tag mounted on the frame under the seat.
Model no. 74631. Serial No. 313006026. Thanks.


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Rivets

I can’t find a wiring diagram, but it is a simple setup. You should have a three post solenoid, two large terminals and one small one. One large terminal should have the battery + cable coming to it. Othe large terminal should have a battery cable connected to it going to the starter. Small terminal should have a small gauge wire attached, coming from the key switch. Large terminal, to which the battery is attached, should have a small gauge wire which goes to the key switch. Hopefully you did not switch the two small wires. The one attached To the battery terminal should go to the B terminal on the key switch. The other small wire should be attached to the S terminal on the key switch. If everything is attached where it should be, I would agree, time to check the key switch.


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robertgeorgepalmer

I can’t find a wiring diagram, but it is a simple setup. You should have a three post solenoid, two large terminals and one small one. One large terminal should have the battery + cable coming to it. Othe large terminal should have a battery cable connected to it going to the starter. Small terminal should have a small gauge wire attached, coming from the key switch. Large terminal, to which the battery is attached, should have a small gauge wire which goes to the key switch. Hopefully you did not switch the two small wires. The one attached To the battery terminal should go to the B terminal on the key switch. The other small wire should be attached to the S terminal on the key switch. If everything is attached where it should be, I would agree, time to check the key switch.
I can’t find a wiring diagram, but it is a simple setup. You should have a three post solenoid, two large terminals and one small one. One large terminal should have the battery + cable coming to it. Othe large terminal should have a battery cable connected to it going to the starter. Small terminal should have a small gauge wire attached, coming from the key switch. Large terminal, to which the battery is attached, should have a small gauge wire which goes to the key switch. Hopefully you did not switch the two small wires. The one attached To the battery terminal should go to the B terminal on the key switch. The other small wire should be attached to the S terminal on the key switch. If everything is attached where it should be, I would agree, time to check the key switch.
Thanks for the reply. The original solenoid was a four post, and was replaced with a four post and wired as the original. I guess I'll try the key switch next. My storage area is not very weather tight and it may just be very dirty and perhaps has some corrosion. I guess that's the next step. I'm not really very mechanically inclined, especially when it comes to electrical systems, but I'm learning as I go. Thanks again.


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Rivets

This is confusing to me, I’m a Toro guy so I did a little more digging, I found the service manual I knew was out there. It has a wiring diagram and very good explanation of how the system works and how to test each component. Hope this helps. https://www.toro.com/getpub/78978


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robertgeorgepalmer

This is confusing to me, I’m a Toro guy so I did a little more digging, I found the service manual I knew was out there. It has a wiring diagram and very good explanation of how the system works and how to test each component. Hope this helps. https://www.toro.com/getpub/78978
Thank you so much. I'll dig into it.


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Rivets

I forgot to add that if you bought the solenoid off Fleabay or AutoScam, there is a good chance that it may be bad. That is the first component I would be checking.


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StarTech

Rivets this is what the Standard SS613 looks like.

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And this is what Toro is showing
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So an aftermarket from Oregon, Rotary, or Stens would the same as the Toro. Just want something that is higher in amp rating than 80 amps.


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robertgeorgepalmer

Rivets this is what the Standard SS613 looks like.

View attachment 69999


And this is what Toro is showing
View attachment 70000
So an aftermarket from Oregon, Rotary, or Stens would the same as the Toro. Just want something that is higher in amp rating than 80 amps.
That is the one I got at O'Reilly's. Again, thank you.


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robertgeorgepalmer

Okay. New key switch. New battery. Cranked right up, but when I turned off the key, the starter kept humming. Took the starter to the shop where they rebuild starters and described the whole situation. Starter tested fine. We agreed I probably had another bad solenoid. Went and exchanged for a new one and installed it. Turned the key, and absolutely nothing. Now I'm really stumped.


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Rivets

Time to open the manual I attached earlier and using section 7-1 to troubleshoot your problem. Costs less than throwing parts at it.


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