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Gradually Overheating?

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Neo7

I have a Husky with a 24HP B&S. Some time back I fitted a dual temperature display to monitor the Transaxle temp (usually 65DegC) and the engine (oil filter) temp (usually 70DegC) and I have kept an eye on them both over the last few years. Tranny Temp is still the same but more recently I have noticed that when I finish mowing (the usual lawns) the engine temp is 99 to 105DegC.(221DegF).

Is that too hot? and any ideas what could be causing this heat creep?

Many thanks.
Neo


#2

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Skippydiesel

I would suggest that the transmission oil temperature is low and the engine is now about right.
In general - oils are engineered to be most efficient in the 95 -110 C continuous range and suffer no ill effects if they peak, for a short time, up to 130C.

The rise in engine oil temperature could be related to oil formulation change, dust/debris on the cooling fins, higher load (mowing faster/blunt blades, your weight, etc)

If in doubt, contact the oil manufactures technical advisory service for a more informed comment.


#3

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slomo

dust/debris on the cooling fins,
yup.


#4

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slomo

Do you operate the engine at an idle slash slow speed?


#5

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Neo7

I use an airline "in and under" that shroud after most uses. But just to be sure I will take the shroud off, take a better look and come back to you.


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gregjo1948

I have a Husky with a 24HP B&S. Some time back I fitted a dual temperature display to monitor the Transaxle temp (usually 65DegC) and the engine (oil filter) temp (usually 70DegC) and I have kept an eye on them both over the last few years. Tranny Temp is still the same but more recently I have noticed that when I finish mowing (the usual lawns) the engine temp is 99 to 105DegC.(221DegF).

Is that too hot? and any ideas what could be causing this heat creep?

Many thanks.
Neo
Of course, be sure the engine fins are clean for good air around the cylinders. As your engine ages, the piston rings wear, as do, the cylinder bores. As they wear, there will be more "air" sneaking down into the oil pan/sump, past the rings causing the oil to gain temperature. When the engine fires, it actually is an explosion causing the piston to be forced "down". Some of that explosion is forced pass the rings into the sump and raising the temp....


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Johner

I have a Husky with a 24HP B&S. Some time back I fitted a dual temperature display to monitor the Transaxle temp (usually 65DegC) and the engine (oil filter) temp (usually 70DegC) and I have kept an eye on them both over the last few years. Tranny Temp is still the same but more recently I have noticed that when I finish mowing (the usual lawns) the engine temp is 99 to 105DegC.(221DegF).

Is that too hot? and any ideas what could be causing this heat creep?

Many thanks.
Neo
Do you know the ambient temperature at the same times. Could be dirt under the shroud.


#8

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59cummins

If it was me and there was no obvious issue I would swap temp probe positions to determine if the temp probes are accurate. If readings are the same then ther may be an engine issue.


#9

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Forest#2

You can also use a IR thermometer and get instant readings at different place on the block. They are priced reasonable now days.

Let the engine set and run at fast rpms for awhile and monitor temp.


#10

grumpyunk

grumpyunk

If you are a bit lazy, and want to check for fin blockage, you may be able to slide a hand under the cylinder, between cylinder and chassis, and feel for good airflow being blown from the flywheel blower down past the finnage and onto the top of the chassis. If the flow feels good and strong, you likely have little to no blockage of the fins by debris.
Be sure to feel for flow below the cylinder head area as that is likely the hottest spot, combustion and stuff, you know...
Oil a little bit above the boiling point of water is reasonable to me. Running an air cooled engine at idle diminshes the airflow and can lead to overheating. Idle rpms also decrease the oil splash and heat transfer capability. RIding back to the barn at slower rpm to 'give the engine a break' is not a good thing to do. Better to keep the rpms up.
tom


#11

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RevB

If this is a full pressure Vanguard.....https://www.ebay.com/itm/255464747799
There are adapters and coolers but at this stage you're not anywhere near too hot for an air cooled. 250F is generally max for conventional oils and synthetics will take that up a bit more, but not much. Beyond 250.....

Don't go looking for problems that don't exist.
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#12

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Neo7

I checked under the cowl but nothing but lite dust


#13

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Skippydiesel

In my very limited experience overheating is usually:
  • Lack of cooling - As this is an aircooled engine, something restricting air flow.
  • Running lean - carburettor not delivering the correct amount of fuel for the air : fuel ratio - something restricting fuel flow - "gunked" up jet or similar


#14

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Neo7

  • Running lean - carburettor not delivering the correct amount of fuel for the air : fuel ratio - something restricting fuel flow - "gunked" up jet or similar

What about running rich? ... I fitted a new Air filter because the old one was quite dark with dust. ... I'll see how she goes on the next mow ;-)


#15

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Skippydiesel

No! A rich fuel air mixture will cool the engine. It will also carbon/soot up the plug(s).

One of the most common causes of a hot/cold engine indication, is a faulty thermocouple/sensor. As you have two (engine/transmission) is it possible to swap them around and see if they are consistent in their reading.:devilish:


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Auto Doc's

I have a Husky with a 24HP B&S. Some time back I fitted a dual temperature display to monitor the Transaxle temp (usually 65DegC) and the engine (oil filter) temp (usually 70DegC) and I have kept an eye on them both over the last few years. Tranny Temp is still the same but more recently I have noticed that when I finish mowing (the usual lawns) the engine temp is 99 to 105DegC.(221DegF).

Is that too hot? and any ideas what could be causing this heat creep?

Many thanks.
Neo
Remove the shrouds and clean the fins regularly. As I recall, B&S has a bulletin to do that for these engines. Aside from that, use the correct weight oil for the temperature conditions.


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Neo7

I've already done that. I've been running the same grade of oil for ages. No recent changes there.


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