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F725 big white smoke cloud

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Bama66

Just serviced my engine oil & filter, transmission fluid and filters, air and fuel filters. While mowing a huge cloud of white smoke came out of the exhaust while I simultaneously noticed a brief decrease in engine speed. Lasted about 2 seconds. i immediately killed it and checked all fluid levels and looked for any leaks. All was fine. I started mowing again and this occured twice more before I shut down for the day. Any ideas what’s going on? TIA!
Johm


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7394

7394

Does the engine oil smell like gas ?


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Bama66

Does the engine oil smell like gas ?
Yes it does, what does that indicate? TIA!


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7394

7394

Gas is probably passing thru the carb into the crankcase. Do you have a fuel line shut off valve ?

If gas is getting into your crankcase, you need to fix the problem, Carb needle valve maybe. & then dump the oil,
add cheap fresh oil run it a bit & drain it again, then add the regular oil you use,.


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platefire

I don't know if you have completely confirmed you do have gas in your oil?
Regarding the smoke bomb effect, I have had that happen when I started
mowing and my oil cap was loose.

I also have had gas in my oil when I filled my gas tank extra full
and somehow my carburetor float valve failed and gas migrated into the crank case.
If that's the case, as Lawn Addict says, you got to get all that old fuel/oil mixture out and
get the good new oil in


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Bama66

Gas is probably passing thru the carb into the crankcase. Do you have a fuel line shut off valve ?

If gas is getting into your crankcase, you need to fix the problem, Carb needle valve maybe. & then dump the oil,
add cheap fresh oil run it a bit & drain it again, then add the regular oil you use,.
There is a fuel cutoff. I have never used it.


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7394

7394

I'd try & determine for sure you has gas in your oil first. Is your oil lever ever fuller that is was ?

I use my shut off on my mower. Had an old rider long ago & it hydro-locked from gas in the oil.


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Bama66

There is a fuel cutoff. I have never used it.


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Bama66

I’ve got bowl off carb.and flipper float up and down a few times.
I don’t think I’ve done anything to fix problem. What do you suggest I do next before changing oil?
TIA


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7394

7394

Well, an inspection of the needle valve above the float would be good to see that it is clean.
If you have gravity feed gas, put a can under carb with bowl off, allow gas to flow, gently push the float closed upward (carefully)....I say carefully cause the float level is set by that tab, & pushing too hard can really mess up the float level..

Fuel should stop asap, then...


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Bama66

Is there any way the fuel pump could be causing our problem? It is mounted on the side with of engine with actuation lever in oil pan.


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Biscuit Barrel

Biscuit Barrel

when you get the white bomb and shut it off, if you restart it do you get the white bomb again? If NO, then I don't know how "gas in oil" cleared itself up.

I've had the white bomb myself and it was leaky carb with no fuel shutoff that was leaking while not in use, then when started white bomb always AND oil level was well above the full mark. it doesn't sound like this was your problem. If engines runs OK for periods, there is no gas in the crankcase - if there was, you would get WB all the time.

Therefore, if it is WB from "gas in oil", then it has to be coming from the carb in 2 second bursts. But could that fuel dumping produce the WB as if gas in oil?

Thinking... why white bomb when gas in oil? Has to be oil on the cylinder walls gets burned producing WB. So if WB occurs when running, huge amount of gas must be dumped from carb. (Can't be the fuel pump because it couldn't leak the amount of fuel into the oil to produce that washing on the cylinder walls.)​
Thinking... there is a loss of power. This could be like the engine was choked due to a huge amount of fuel coming from the carb. Does the loss of power seem like choking? If it runs good and you choke it, do you get the WB?

Thinking... the amount of fuel that dumps out of the needle/seat when float low is not a torrent, it's more like a dribble. But if the bowl is full and the float is closing the needle, if a leak, it has to be much less which doesn't quite explain the WB even if full needle discharge would be enough fuel flow to create WB.

Is there a possibility the float is sticking? did WB occur when you ran over something that shook the engine OR hit a heavy patch of grass that put big load on engine?​
STICKING RING: Automotive Engine with bad rings will WB when under full load. But the 2 second duration is not quite consistent with this cause, however could be something small engines do.

Maybe my thoughts will give someone an eureka moment?






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Forest#2

What model, type and code of engine?
WB can also appear as burned oil when viewed in sunlight instead of being blue.


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Biscuit Barrel

Biscuit Barrel

What model, type and code of engine?
WB can also appear as burned oil when viewed in sunlight instead of being blue.
Could you elaborate: is it White vs Blue? perhaps Rings vs Gas in Oil (which is which)?


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The Maintenance Guy

The Maintenance Guy

Just serviced my engine oil & filter, transmission fluid and filters, air and fuel filters. While mowing a huge cloud of white smoke came out of the exhaust while I simultaneously noticed a brief decrease in engine speed. Lasted about 2 seconds. i immediately killed it and checked all fluid levels and looked for any leaks. All was fine. I started mowing again and this occured twice more before I shut down for the day. Any ideas what’s going on? TIA!
Johm
I had that happen once when I inadvertently overfilled the crankcase when changing the oil. It was OK until I went on a slope sideways then...wow! I took some oil out with a suction gun and all was well.


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rutbuster1

There is a fuel cutoff. I have never used it.
It's best to use it if you have it. It'll save you a lot of headaches in the future. Your symptoms seem to be that the needle seat isn't sealing gas from going through the carburetor. Using the fuel cutoff will cut off the fuel supply and keep it from flooding. Another thing too. When storing the mower for long periods, while it's running, cut off the fuel supply and let it run till it quits. This will help save the carburetor from fuels mixed with ethanol.


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Bama66

There are some great things for me to try, especially fuel cutoff. As I said I’ve never used it but as said I probably should have and this problem wouldn’t exist. I’ve got to tell everyone how much response and how quick it was made is GREATLY appreciated. I’ve always had great help from this group. Again THANKS,


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Biscuit Barrel

Biscuit Barrel

There are some great things for me to try, especially fuel cutoff. As I said I’ve never used it but as said I probably should have and this problem wouldn’t exist. I’ve got to tell everyone how much response and how quick it was made is GREATLY appreciated. I’ve always had great help from this group. Again THANKS,
The fuel cutoff will guard against storage leakage which fills up the crankcase. When that happens you have WB all the time. You don't have that problem.

The comment about cutting on a slope is a good one: is there any pattern to when it happens?


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Bama66

Smoke has a white color.
checking on engine numbers


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Bama66

Just serviced my engine oil & filter, transmission fluid and filters, air and fuel filters. While mowing a huge cloud of white smoke came out of the exhaust while I simultaneously noticed a brief decrease in engine speed. Lasted about 2 seconds. i immediately killed it and checked all fluid levels and looked for any leaks. All was fine. I started mowing again and this occured twice more before I shut down for the day. Any ideas what’s going on? TIA!
Johm
We took the bowl off, sprayed carb clearner from top and bottom, flicked the float a few times, put it back together and changed oil twice and everything seems fine now. Thanks everyone for your suggestions!


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