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Craftsman Garden Tractor eating belts

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BuckeyeWilly

I mow about 5 acres so my main mower is a Kubota BX24 with 60" deck. My backup mower is a Craftsman Garden Tractor, 24 hp with 46" deck. Last year this mower started destroying the main mower belt. I hae gone through 5 belts, 3 last year and 2 already this year. The mower is around 12 years old. Any ideas? None of the pulleys seem bad but I'm sure no expert on the subject.


#2

irwin

irwin

My 87 year old father had the same thing happen, I looked and found the belt was almost on right.:biggrin:

Other than the belt on the wrong side of a guide.. need to look more closely at the the pulleys, and the adjustment of the deck itself..ie: is everything where it belongs? no bent guides?


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JD Man

Although I don't have a Craftsman any longer, I had the same problem. A guide had loosened and ripped my belt. So, I agree with the guide either bent or loose.


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bbbobbb

I had gone thru the same problem. What fixed it was I removed a pulley (no sure which one since I did it a few years ago) When I did this it did'nt let the belt rub. Believe me it worked. Good luck.


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BuckeyeWilly

Wow bbbobbb, I never thought of that one. You removed a pulley and didn't replace it and the mower functioned properly? I will keep that in mind. I tore the deck apart today and ordered 2 new pulleys and a belt keeper that was in bad shape. I think I may have discovered the problem though. The deck is secured to the frame with a suspension arm on the rear of the deck to stabilize the deck. The original arm was lost and of course that part is no longer available from sears. So I prefabbed my own and it did work but I think the pin I used to attach it to the deck was just a little to long and the belt would occasionally hit the pin tearing it up. At least thats what I think has happened.

Guys, this will be my last craftsman. Not worth the aggravation.

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Adamsrib

It wasn't the 12 year old Craftsman, it was a short between the seat and steering wheel. You have to be smarter than a mower to work on one.


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GentlemanFahmah

GentlemanFahmah

...The original arm was lost and of course that part is no longer available from sears....
Ungh?
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I have yet to not find parts for any Craftsman tractor. There are so many of these things out there that most small engine shops have piles of them out back for spare parts assuming you can't otherwise grub up a replacement from either SearsParts Direct or eBay or similar.


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BuckeyeWilly

GentlemanFahmah, my tractor model no is 917.273070. The part I need is called an arm, suspension, rear (anti-sway bar). The part no is 130832. I have searched on Sears parts direct, ebay, jacks small engine repair, etc. I have not been able to find it. Sears states it is no longer available.

As for being a "short" in the seat, I have never professed to being a tractor repairman but I always do try to fix my breakdowns whenever possible. AdamsRib, that was a real nice first post. Thanks for your input. :frown:


#9

rekees

rekees

The Sears Parts Direct site says

Call for availability
(800) 252-1698

so perhaps a human at sears could find an alternate part or sell you a new deck? Toll free number so it's worth a shot.


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murphy

Buckeye, an experience I had with belts. My dad bought a zero turn cub cadet and it costed him a small fortune on belts. It was under warranty at the time so he kept taking it back and to no prevail they could not solve this matter. Long story short I put mower up in air and found the deck that we figured they would have set it up right was way out of setting. Example: motor pulley tilted downward at front, and deck pulley tilted upward at front. Adjusted to the owners manual and now works fine.

Sears sometimes will not sell a single part and instead sells a complete assembly of a group of parts, my past experience with them. Good luck.


#11

GentlemanFahmah

GentlemanFahmah

GentlemanFahmah, my tractor model no is 917.273070. The part I need is called an arm, suspension, rear (anti-sway bar). The part no is 130832. I have searched on Sears parts direct, ebay, jacks small engine repair, etc. I have not been able to find it. Sears states it is no longer available.

$2.70 each at Hyper Parts and showing it's available.
http://www.hyperparts.com/wc.dll?ctwp~getxref~1001~1003~1~probrand~1~AYP~130832


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BuckeyeWilly

Thanks GentlemanFahmah. I ordered 2 of them. I will keep you posted when I get them.

Thanks again,
Willy


#13

CarlGlas

CarlGlas

At the end of last Summer I completely rebuilt my 8 year-old 48 in. mower deck and found everything I needed simply by searching the Internet and comparing prices. By rebuilding the deck myself as opposed to buying a replacement from Sears, I saved over $300. Oh, and those $40 and $50 deck belts sold at Sears, Home Depot and Lowes, I bought on eBay for about $13 each. (Craftsman)


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BuckeyeWilly

Nice job Carl. I bought my pulleys from Jack's smal engine (on the net) and have also gotten my belts from ebay. I have wondered though whether the quality is the same. My new belt I have coming is from tractor supply because I had heard good things about their kevlar belts. I also ordered a graphite deck paint that I am going to undercoat the deck with. Hope it works!!


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jimbo64

Nice job Carl. I bought my pulleys from Jack's smal engine (on the net) and have also gotten my belts from ebay. I have wondered though whether the quality is the same. My new belt I have coming is from tractor supply because I had heard good things about their kevlar belts. I also ordered a graphite deck paint that I am going to undercoat the deck with. Hope it works!!

not to bushwack post but what is graphite paint


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BuckeyeWilly

Jimbo, here is the link. I have heard some good things about it so I thought while my mower is down waiting on parts I would coat it with this product.

http://www.cleandeck.net/


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jimbo64

:smile:
Jimbo, here is the link. I have heard some good things about it so I thought while my mower is down waiting on parts I would coat it with this product.

http://www.cleandeck.net/

thanks buck- will checkout website


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Fixitlane

My Craftsman 54" deck was either eating or throwing belts regular as well. I too found that the front pulley was tilted down. I adjusted and no more thrown or torn up belts. It is still eating spindle housings though. I've replaced 4, all three last year and starting over already this year with one broken.


#19

jet62095

jet62095

I haven't much experience with this issue, I'd say check your tensioners, guides and such and I always use belt dressing on the pulleys rather than the belts, I've found it works just as good if not better.
Best of luck,
Jet


#20

rekees

rekees

I always use belt dressing on the pulleys rather than the belts

Thanks for the tip, I'm going to try that :thumbsup:


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indypower

GentlemanFahmah, my tractor model no is 917.273070. The part I need is called an arm, suspension, rear (anti-sway bar). The part no is 130832. I have searched on Sears parts direct, ebay, jacks small engine repair, etc. I have not been able to find it. Sears states it is no longer available.

As for being a "short" in the seat, I have never professed to being a tractor repairman but I always do try to fix my breakdowns whenever possible. AdamsRib, that was a real nice first post. Thanks for your input. :frown:

I would just go to the local hardware store and buy a piece of flat stock and make one using the old one as a template for the holes.


#22

RockHound

RockHound

I had two Craftsmen riders that did the same thing and oddly enough my next door neighbor's did the same thing too. The guy who would come out to repair them said that a bunch of them were doing this and Craftsmen mowers just weren't up to the standards they used to be.


#23

CarlGlas

CarlGlas

I have ordered parts from Jack's before. The last thing I had to replace was a pulley bracket for the transmission belt. The belts that I bought on ebay were Sears belts. Apparently no one else needed that particular size belt because I was the only one bidding on it and that's why I was able to get them so cheap. I believe the belt and shipping was about $14. I've got enough primary and secondary belts that I should never have to worry about not being able to finish mowing. (of course I try to not worry about such things anyway. :laughing:)


Nice job Carl. I bought my pulleys from Jack's smal engine (on the net) and have also gotten my belts from ebay. I have wondered though whether the quality is the same. My new belt I have coming is from tractor supply because I had heard good things about their kevlar belts. I also ordered a graphite deck paint that I am going to undercoat the deck with. Hope it works!!


#24

RockHound

RockHound

Yeah but it's a PITB to stop mowing and replace the belt. I don't think I EVER was able to finish the yard unless the belt shredded or slipped off the pulley. I don't think I'll ever buy a Craftsman again.


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LaurenD

Our Cub Cadet is hard on blade spindles (1-2 per mowing season) but the belts are very long-lasting.

LaurenD:smile:


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cottom

I'll check here in a bit, but I think American Yard Products builds the Craftsman Tractors, in Orange, North Carolina. They make tractors for several brand names, so don't give up on getting parts.


#27

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cottom

American Yard Products manufactures parts and equipment for many leading homeowner brands in the lawn and garden industry. Some of the more popular brands that American Yard Products produces and supplies parts to include Craftsman, Poulan Pro, Poulan, Roper, Sears, Rally,Wizard, Roper, Woodwards, Yard Master, Sears, Roper, Chraftsman, Kgro, Rally, Huskavarna and many more.
I have always had good luck getting information and parts from http://www.outdoordistributors.com


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goodolboydws

We've also got an AYP machine that is of teh same vintage, it's 13 years old and branded as a Poulon, but aside from cosmetic pieces and paint, it probably looks almost identical to your Craftsman garden tractor.
Most people either do not keep this price level mowers this many years, or if they do, don'tuse them for as many hours per year as I do mowing several acres on very uneven/steep terrain and doing other things with the tractor all year round (and possibly you too), so some wear issues have little to do with this particular brand, it's more of a reflection of the price point at which it's sold, which determines the level of "robustness" chosen for various parts of it's construction. I tow a heavy cart with ours to the extent that I've even worn out the cart's tires. We're probably both long past the calculated operating hours for the design life of this machine. But it just proves that with enough maintenance, some things can last a lot longer than anticipated.

The weakest parts that I've encountered, (the ones needing most frequent replacement/adjustment/repair) of this AYP machine are the front suspension/steering parts, most notibly the steering shaft and sector gear and front wheel BUSHINGS (they call them bearings), plus pulleys and certain blade related parts, such as spindle bearings (which I replace separately, instead of buying complete spindle assemblies).

I've had very good luck getting nearly every part I've ever needed through local auto parts stores (belts and spindle bearings) or from either Outdoor Distributors (easier site to search) or Pat's Small Engine Plus (cheapest source of the best aftermarket hi-lift non-mulching blades Stens 340-070 for the 46" deck and some parts but shipping usually takes longer) Both have searchable model diagrams that will help you to find the exact part that you need-if you don't have the manual to begin your search for the correct part number.

One tip, some/many/most the original Craftsman or AYP part numbers have been changed through the years, so if you don't find your exact part number, try to be sure on the drawings that it still appears to be the right part when you have to order something with a new number. Also, I believe that the original manufacturerer (AYP) has been bought out. I think Husqevarna is who actually owns AYP or AYP's old parts stock right now and if so, they will likely soon be using at least a different prefix for many/most/all of the parts that come from their warehouses to the various resellers (such as Outdoor Distributors or Pat's).

In re. the belts self destructing, there are several reasons why this can be happenning, all of which have happened to our over the years, and some have already been mentioned, others not.

Pulley problems:
bearings on the pulleys that have them will eventually wear, causing the pulley to wobble or drag and eventually seize. The belt notch ( V) of the stamped steel pulleys will also wear eventually (especially if you have sandy soil or cut anything or in any conditions that produce a lot of dust), getting deeper, smoother and also thinning the metal itself. When it gets deeper, the belt will ride lower in the V, slowing the effective belt speed, often slipping more and more as the belt wears it's edges to conform with the steeper angle that the pulley sides have worn to. All these will accellerate belt wear, and increase belt "slap" making the belt more likely to regularly contact somthing metal nearby, such as the belt guides. Look for shiny and worn metal parts close to the belts travel path.
On the main drive pulley (the long shanked engine pulley) when this happens, the pulley can start to split, wobble, and even start to chew away at the belt if the split opens up enough. The main drive pulley sometimes is not a perfect fit on it's shaft, and if so, it will be wobbling continuously, which accellerates belt wear, so look at it closely with the engine running.

Other belt problems:
Using NON-OEM belts requires a different beginning length adjustment to the deck drive belt (not the on-board blade drive belt) as the OEM belt is inbetween the much less expensive standard 1" increment l&g belts. I'm assumingthat you do know how to do the length adjustment for this belt, as it's required as any belt used for this wears and stretches in use and the deck drive will start to slip with a loose belt, making the blade speed noticibly slower as will V notch wear to the main drive pulley). I opt to use aftermarket belts because I rerely lose a belt to it's being worn out, they usually get cut from debris I pick up while useing our tractor as a roughcut/bush hog mower.

Another problem that may help to wear out the deck drive belt.
The suspension for this deck uses trunnions on long support arms that attach directly through holes punched in the side front frame members. Both the holes in the frame and the trunnions wear, requiring an adjustment to the arms to attempt to reposition the deck correctly, the problem is that if there is enough wear, and the belt tension is not just right, the deck is the being supported more by the belt tension than if the parts were not worn, plus it's still able to move fore and aft due to the frame holes being "egged" out and the trunnions being worn down in diameter, which directly affects the belt tension.

By the way, someone mentioned having to replace several spindle housings.
If you letthe spindle bearings get too worn/dried out before adding more grease to the spindle housing to replace that which will eventually come out of the bearings (even sealed bearings grease supply doesn't last forever) or replacing them, they can self destruct or seize and since the housings are aluminum they can sometimes overheat to the point that the metal of the housing will distort, which can make a new one loose in it's recess.
Mowing rocks, stumps, half buried steel debris, and large diameter branches more than occasionally can also damage the spindles. Whatever bent a blade can sometimes also bend the spindle shaft it's on, as they aren't very stout. Also, if forgetting to replace worn out or distorted circular ring sheetmetal grass guards on the bottom of the mower, this is more likely to happen. I've replaced ONE spindle housing assembly in 13 years, (have replaced all the grass guards one time though) and that was before I knew that the bearings were actually a standard type and size that could be obtained locally and could be removed from the shaft reasonably easily.
But spindle assemblies aren't that expensive now either-maybe they're coming from China and don't last as long as the older ones did?

Hope this helps.


#29

bradcash

bradcash

I recently had the same problem with my 15 yr old Murrey rider. It turned out that my belt brake, the rod that stops the belt when you disengage, springs just wore out. The rod was in contact with the belt all of the time and tore em up.


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