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Country Clipper Kohler engine identification.

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user4579

Good morning All! I picked up a Country clipper commercial (model# 2203M serial# 6251) that needs an engine. It's a Kohler twin with no tags or stampings that I can find. I'm guessing it's from the late 90s or early 2000s. Is there a way to find what model it is so I can see about parts or a replacement engine?


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StarTech

StarTech

About the only way is to contact Country Clipper. And yes it from the 1990's. From what I can find several different Kohler CV engines were used. Or it might take tearing the engine and measuring the cylinders. Luckily most major engine parts are the same for say CV23 series.

BTW the problem you have ran into is common with Kohler engines as the decals tends to fall out after several years. It is recommend that any equipment owner record all the equipment numbers they find on their machines. I do it here as a business of repairs and it has save me several times in the last 10 years. It is good that my Auto Manager software allows the storage of these numbers.


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user4579

StarTech said:
About the only way is to contact Country Clipper. And yes it from the 1990's. From what I can find several different Kohler CV engines were used. Or it might take tearing the engine and measuring the cylinders. Luckily most major engine parts are the same for say CV23 series.

BTW the problem you have ran into is common with Kohler engines as the decals tends to fall out after several years. It is recommend that any equipment owner record all the equipment numbers they find on their machines. I do it here as a business of repairs and it has save me several times in the last 10 years. It is good that my Auto Manager software allows the storage of these numbers.
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THANKS for the reply! One would think Kohler would have fixed that problem after all these years. I might try calling Country Clipper and see what they say. But it's supposed to be much warmer Thursday and Friday where I live so I might get the pressure washer out to clean the rest of the mower, looks like it has been leaking oil for a very long time. So I'll give the engine one last cleaning. The Kohler website says there should be a serial # stamped on the block but I sure can't find that. Again, Thanks for the info! Steve


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StarTech

StarTech

I would not count on it. I just installed a short block a couple months ago and all they had was stickers. I couldn't even look-up the short block serial number on the Partners Website which is the dealer's website.

I do however personally stamp the model and serial on the blocks here as I work on them.


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user4579

StarTech said:
I would not count on it. I just installed a short block a couple months ago and all they had was stickers. I couldn't even look-up the short block serial number on the Partners Website which is the dealer's website.

I do however personally stamp the model and serial on the blocks here as I work on them.
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Huh! Thanks for the info. I wonder why they stick with those stickers that come off so easy. Surely couldn't cost that much more for a metal tag. I mean you need all that info even if you want to buy a new engine. Thanks for the reply! Steve


#6

StarTech

StarTech

It sound stupid it is to cut down on costs and production time for couple things. Label can be slap on with a roller and brush where as a metal tag usually need to be riveted on.

Plus once in the field they don't give a dang if you can fix the engine or not. They can always sell you a new engine. Some of us have been the business long enough to be able to figure out fairly which engine it is base a few measurements. Even then it a major guessing game when no decals are present.


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ILENGINE

The CV22-67539 is a possible engine that was used on that model. the main concerns would be crankshaft diameter and length when looking for replacement engine. May want to check starter to see if you have the solenoid mounted on the starter or a separate solenoid for wiring purposes.


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StarTech

StarTech

Well that closer than I got as I came up with CV22, CV23, and CV25 depending on deck size.


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ILENGINE

StarTech said:
Well that closer than I got as I came up with CV22, CV23, and CV25 depending on deck size.
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I made the assumption that the 2204M was a 22 hp and then did a search for a CV22 using Shivvers as the OEM.


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user4579

StarTech said:
It sound stupid it is to cut down on costs and production time for couple things. Label can be slap on with a roller and brush where as a metal tag usually need to be riveted on.

Plus once in the field they don't give a dang if you can fix the engine or not. They can always sell you a new engine. Some of us have been the business long enough to be able to figure out fairly which engine it is base a few measurements. Even then it a major guessing game when no decals are present.
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Well I've had a couple mowers with Kohler engines, they seem to hold up ok. Not the best engines, but if they scrimp by with something so small. Makes one wonder what other shortcuts they do.


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user4579

ILENGINE said:
The CV22-67539 is a possible engine that was used on that model. the main concerns would be crankshaft diameter and length when looking for replacement engine. May want to check starter to see if you have the solenoid mounted on the starter or a separate solenoid for wiring purposes.
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Thanks! I'm going to pull the engine all the way off later this week and turn the pressure washer loose on it. I already have all the covers off of it so I'm not holding much hope on finding anything. The solenoid is about 2 feet away from the starter under the right fender.


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user4579

ILENGINE said:
I made the assumption that the 2204M was a 22 hp and then did a search for a CV22 using Shivvers as the OEM.
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StarTech said:
Well that closer than I got as I came up with CV22, CV23, and CV25 depending on deck size.
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Thanks for all the help so far, Closing in on something! The deck size is 60" model 6003M.


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ILENGINE

The model and spec number that I posted has the correct starter setup that is on your current engine.


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user4579

ILENGINE said:
The model and spec number that I posted has the correct starter setup that is on your current engine.
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Great! I'm starting to feel pretty good about this buy! A Big Thanks to All!!


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hlw49

So what engine would you consider better?


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hlw49

As long as the crank shaft diamater and length are the same you can mount a larger hp engine on it.


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user4579

hlw49 said:
So what engine would you consider better?
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Well years ago I would have said Honda or Kawasaki. I had a 4-cylinder continental on a golf course mower that was bullet proof. I'm not a fan of any of the newer brand name engines, but I don't work on them all day long like some on here.


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user4579

ILENGINE said:
The CV22-67539 is a possible engine that was used on that model. the main concerns would be crankshaft diameter and length when looking for replacement engine. May want to check starter to see if you have the solenoid mounted on the starter or a separate solenoid for wiring purposes.
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Well after a lot of cleaning I did find one number i


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user4579

ILENGINE said:
The CV22-67539 is a possible engine that was used on that model. the main concerns would be crankshaft diameter and length when looking for replacement engine. May want to check starter to see if you have the solenoid mounted on the starter or a separate solenoid for wiring purposes.
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Well after a lot of cleaning I did find one number on the base of the block 24-560-11 but when I try to look it up I keep getting an 18 hp. Is it a universal block with just different bore sizes? At least it's coming as a Kohler number.


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ILENGINE

user4579 said:
Well after a lot of cleaning I did find one number on the base of the block 24-560-11 but when I try to look it up I keep getting an 18 hp. Is it a universal block with just different bore sizes? At least it's coming as a Kohler number.
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The 18-20-22 hp all use the same short block. The 18 has a screw in the carb that only allows the throttle butterfly to open half way. The 22 uses smart spark ignition whereas the 18-20 are fixed timing


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user4579

ILENGINE said:
The 18-20-22 hp all use the same short block. The 18 has a screw in the carb that only allows the throttle butterfly to open half way. The 22 uses smart spark ignition whereas the 18-20 are fixed timing
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Boy! Never would have guessed that! The throttle on this one opens all the way, and the coils are fixed in one spot but, they have 2 wires on each coil that go to a small electronic box on one of the shields. So, I'm pretty sure it's a 22 HP. But here is a funny thing, after getting it all tore down it is no longer locked up. What I found was one of the exhaust valve seats had fell out and bent one of the push rods. How that kept it from turning over I'm not sure. But the cylinders and all the rest look pretty good so I think I'll find a head and rebuild this engine instead of buying another one.


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ILENGINE

user4579 said:
Boy! Never would have guessed that! The throttle on this one opens all the way, and the coils are fixed in one spot but, they have 2 wires on each coil that go to a small electronic box on one of the shields. So, I'm pretty sure it's a 22 HP. But here is a funny thing, after getting it all tore down it is no longer locked up. What I found was one of the exhaust valve seats had fell out and bent one of the push rods. How that kept it from turning over I'm not sure. But the cylinders and all the rest look pretty good so I think I'll find a head and rebuild this engine instead of buying another one.
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Fixed in the sense of the 18-20 hp means that the spark is a set timing whereas the 22 hp smart spark is a variable timing that can advance and retard the timing depending on engine speed.

I suspect the valve seat came out which dislodged the push rod which allowed it to jam on something causing the bent push rod. The partially open valve from the dislodged valve seat holding the valve open allowed the piston to hit the partially open valve which would cause the lock up issue.


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user4579

ILENGINE said:
Fixed in the sense of the 18-20 hp means that the spark is a set timing whereas the 22 hp smart spark is a variable timing that can advance and retard the timing depending on engine speed.

I suspect the valve seat came out which dislodged the push rod which allowed it to jam on something causing the bent push rod. The partially open valve from the dislodged valve seat holding the valve open allowed the piston to hit the partially open valve which would cause the lock up issue.
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Thanks for all the help!! With it all tore down and nicely cleaned up I think I'll rebuild it. Won't take much, a gasket set and seals, quick hone, a cylinder head and a valve job on both heads. Thanks Again for the help!!


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Tiger Small Engine

Tiger Small Engine

user4579 said:
Thanks for all the help!! With it all tore down and nicely cleaned up I think I'll rebuild it. Won't take much, a gasket set and seals, quick hone, a cylinder head and a valve job on both heads. Thanks Again for the help!!
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Good for you on willing to dive much deeper than most people. Many of my customers replace spark plug and give up.


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