Where's he gonna put that?This is a common issue when any fuel tank is mounted above the carburetor.
Gravity can/will force fuel to flow into the engine. (This may assisted by a tiny piece of trash stuck in the carb's float valve.) From there the fuel bypasses the piston rings and dilutes the engine oil in the sump. Such fuel systems are often fitted with manual or "automatic" fuel shut off valve. The problem is that when the automatic versions fail (go Open all the time), there is no way for the owner to tell... except that the dip stick will show an excess of fluid in the engine's sump.
► The carb's float bowl valve is not infallible. Even with the best of carbs, it is never a perfect seal.
► Running the engine with this diluted mixture can lead to extreme engine damage in a VERY short time.
You should 1) add a manual fuel ON/OFF valve between the carb and fuel tank, and then 2) start using it religiously.
The carb looks like this, how would i go about changing the float needle?View attachment 66165
Hopefully in the fuel line between the tank and carb.
b does not shut off the fuel when the bowl is full it will enter the cylinder and drain down past the rings into the crankcase. Itcould also be your needle valve and seat, which are the parts that close the fuel port to the bowl. I hope this helpsJust bought and serviced a 35 Classic engine on a push mower, Started it and there was alot of blue smoke, although I did have to replace two back wheels so I had it on its side for about 20 mins. When i got it the oil looked to be over filled quite a bit so made sure to change it to the right amount before starting it. After starting, it took ages to burn off the oil until it eventually cleared. Used it to cut the grass and left it for a couple days. Just went to start it now and it shot out a cloud of blue smoke, its been kept upright and not on its side, checked the oil, its gone very dark gray after one use and smells a bit like petrol has mades its way into it.
What could be the issue? I assume it to be the piston rings or something relating to that.
When tipping a push mower on it's side, if you go through this process first, no oil will enter the cylinder. First take ith pull rope in your hand and pull on it slowly, you will feel differences in resistance as you pull on the rope. When you get to the point of most resistance, the engine will be at top dead center and both intake and exhaust valves will be closed. Stop pulling on the rope at this time on your pull. With the engine at top dead center and both valves closed,no oil can enter your engine. At this time you can tip the mower on it's side and clean under your deck, take the blade off to sharpen, or whatever else you are about to do. I hope this helps you.Born to Mow, do you realize that he has a tank mounted pulsajet carb. There is NO fuel line. Loch, the only way that this can happen twice is that you have oil which entered your tank somehow when you tipped the mower with the carb down. Run it a couple of times with fresh petrol and it should clear up. If it doesn’t post back and we’ll look for other solutions.
The plastic over time warps and lets too much fuel past the diaphragm and gasket. Ebay or Amazon sells those inexpensively.The carb looks like this, how would i go about changing the float needle?View attachment 66165
ExactlyThe plastic over time warps and lets too much fuel past the diaphragm and gasket. Ebay or Amazon sells those inexpensively.
The flappers if they do not seat good or the diaphragm is not next to the carb then the flappers will allow fuel to leak by if the mower is not setting level. Btw worn piston rings will not matter about fuel getting into the oil. New rings will not stop the liquid fuel.I'll take yous through a step by step of what i've done:
- Tipped mower over for about 20 min to replace back wheels. 20 min on each side
- Mower was then left on its wheels while being serviced
- Cleaned fuel tank
- Cleaned carb
- New diaphragm
- Oil was extracted and replaced to the max and not over
- Mower was ran for a while, smoke cleared to a point where it wasn's smoking out my garden
- Cut lawn no issues
- 2 Days later, start it and it puffs big clouds of blue smoke out and continues to smoke
- Oil is now dark grey and smells a bit like petrol
I bought the mower as spares but was listed as only needing a back wheel as it had broken, so I don't know the condition of the internals. I can only assume that the piston rings are worn, so its letting oil past the top of the piston and burning it.
When you put the mower on its side did you have the carb on the upper side? With the oil as you describe it you need to change it ASAP.Just bought and serviced a 35 Classic engine on a push mower, Started it and there was alot of blue smoke, although I did have to replace two back wheels so I had it on its side for about 20 mins. When i got it the oil looked to be over filled quite a bit so made sure to change it to the right amount before starting it. After starting, it took ages to burn off the oil until it eventually cleared. Used it to cut the grass and left it for a couple days. Just went to start it now and it shot out a cloud of blue smoke, its been kept upright and not on its side, checked the oil, its gone very dark gray after one use and smells a bit like petrol has mades its way into it.
What could be the issue? I assume it to be the piston rings or something relating to that.
Have you run it for sometime to see if smoke goes away? Also a second oil change I find is necessary to clean up oil.Just bought and serviced a 35 Classic engine on a push mower, Started it and there was alot of blue smoke, although I did have to replace two back wheels so I had it on its side for about 20 mins. When i got it the oil looked to be over filled quite a bit so made sure to change it to the right amount before starting it. After starting, it took ages to burn off the oil until it eventually cleared. Used it to cut the grass and left it for a couple days. Just went to start it now and it shot out a cloud of blue smoke, its been kept upright and not on its side, checked the oil, its gone very dark gray after one use and smells a bit like petrol has mades its way into it.
What could be the issue? I assume it to be the piston rings or something relating to that.
Your suspicion about the alcohol is correct it will degrade the diaphragm over time and about it not having a fuel line. This carb does not have a float but uses the jet to regulate flow. I believe one of those two flappers allow the excess fuel to return to the tank and the other acts as pump valve. If either leak by or you have a hole in that diaphragm it will put fuel into the oil while it is running or setting at an angle. I do not remember having a classic in my shop, but I have had some with the same carb.My 35 classic did the same as yours, LochlinR. I changed the carburetor diaphragm (the top gasket looking thing in your photo) and it solved the problem for about 4 years. When it did it again, I changed the diaphragm again & the problem hasn't yet returned. It's been another 4 years. The diaphragm may last longer if you buy a real one. I bought eBay clones.
I'm by no means a mechanic, but examining the old versus new diaphragm showed that the old was wrinkled. I suspect alcohol in the fuel caused that.
I hope this helps,
Paul
PS: There's no place on the 35 Classic to put the shut-off that Born2Mow mentioned, but I have them on all of my gasoline equipment that has float bowl carburetors. They're a great aggrivation saver. I also have in-line tees with valves on seldom used equipment so that I may readily drain the fuel from the tank after the engine cools.
Could be valve guides of valve gummed up with carbon, not allowing it to seat properlyJust bought and serviced a 35 Classic engine on a push mower, Started it and there was alot of blue smoke, although I did have to replace two back wheels so I had it on its side for about 20 mins. When i got it the oil looked to be over filled quite a bit so made sure to change it to the right amount before starting it. After starting, it took ages to burn off the oil until it eventually cleared. Used it to cut the grass and left it for a couple days. Just went to start it now and it shot out a cloud of blue smoke, its been kept upright and not on its side, checked the oil, its gone very dark gray after one use and smells a bit like petrol has mades its way into it.
What could be the issue? I assume it to be the piston rings or something relating to that.
In my experience that happens with small trimmers and blowers, ect. The opposite is what I see. The engine running creates a vacuum and quits from fuel starvation.With this carb setup it's really hard to get gas back into the crankcase oil, i'm wondering if you might have a fuel cap that the vent is plugged over pressuring the tank forcing gas out and into crankcase, just my 2 cents.
Gray oil is from water. Maybe some was in the tank or can used to fill it. Also if left in the rain or spray.Could be valve guides of valve gummed up with carbon, not allowing it to seat properly
I'm glad it worked out & thanks for sharing what the cause was!Thanks Paul.
In my case, it was oil in the exhaust silencer (muffler). I took it off, started the engine and ran it for a couple of minutes. No smoke. So, I flushed the silencer with petrol, then hot soapy water, thoroughly dried it off and, seeing as it was off the engine, prepped it and applied a coat of high temperature paint. I refitted it and started the engine. No smoke!
What seems to have happened is that when I tipped the mower on its side by about 45° (exhaust side down) to remove the engine as part of the restoration process, oil flowed into the silencer (possibly via the open exhaust valve?), even though I had drained the engine via the sump plug. From now on, I will only tip the engine backwards (spark plug up) as oil can't get into the exhaust or inlet/carb that scenario.
One note of caution regarding running an engine with high oil level (e.g. to burn off the excess) - A mechanic friend some years ago told me that high oil levels can mean that the crank bearing journals and conrods are splashing about in the oil, and cause lots of air bubbles in the oil. These are then sucked up by the oil pump pickup pipe and with prolonged use, can cause engine wear damage. He was talking about an engineer's report on a car engine failure, so I am not sure how that relates to single cylinder vertical mower engines, but they do have a sump where the crankshaft spins, so it is probably true for them too. I would recommend lowering oil level by sucking some out through the filler hole, with a pump or even a thin turkey baster, rather than running the engine for quite a while to burn off the excess.