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~60 inch commerical grade $12k mower recomendations for 3 acres residential use only?
#1
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Mike Hawk
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Mike Hawk
Hey folks.
Current equipment is a Cub Cadet M48 Tank for my old place that was a flat 2 acres with 50+ trees (god bless glyphosate!) . For the most part I liked the Cadet other than thrown belts, busted clutch, and some hydros that are starting to get cantankerous. Took me ~1.5 hours to ride then another ~1.5 hours to finish with push mow, edge, blow, etc.
Anyhow enough of the history lesson. I'm moving into 3 acres that has some slight slopes, but way less trees. Also a stream that bisects the property, joy joy! (sarcasm). Terrain is about 85% flat. I'll probably have a landscape company come out with a dump truck or 3 of dirt and a blade to regrade everything to help make mowing a bit easier.
So here is what I'm thinking and my priority list:
#1 Priority, cut quick
#2 Priority, cut nice (has to be a mulcher though)
#3 Priority, comfort (I hate getting beat up and bounced around going over rough terrain!)
To achieve #1 I'm thinking a 60" mower would be a nice upgrade. Budget wise I'd love to only pay $8k, but I'm okay though with going up to $12ish. I know, complete overkill probably for my needs but I want to be one and done on this and have this mower last me for at least the next 15 years.
I've got buddies that can get me buddy price on JD, Gravely, and Big Dog but I'm not brand loyal. I'm pretty handy with a wrench and as long as there's a good YouTube or DIY manual on the net I will most likely be doing maintenance/repairs myself so Dealer Service / Proximity won't be a selling point to me. I live in Tulsa so there are all kinds of dealers around me.
Hit me up with some model #s to Google!
Thanks,
Mike
Current equipment is a Cub Cadet M48 Tank for my old place that was a flat 2 acres with 50+ trees (god bless glyphosate!) . For the most part I liked the Cadet other than thrown belts, busted clutch, and some hydros that are starting to get cantankerous. Took me ~1.5 hours to ride then another ~1.5 hours to finish with push mow, edge, blow, etc.
Anyhow enough of the history lesson. I'm moving into 3 acres that has some slight slopes, but way less trees. Also a stream that bisects the property, joy joy! (sarcasm). Terrain is about 85% flat. I'll probably have a landscape company come out with a dump truck or 3 of dirt and a blade to regrade everything to help make mowing a bit easier.
So here is what I'm thinking and my priority list:
#1 Priority, cut quick
#2 Priority, cut nice (has to be a mulcher though)
#3 Priority, comfort (I hate getting beat up and bounced around going over rough terrain!)
To achieve #1 I'm thinking a 60" mower would be a nice upgrade. Budget wise I'd love to only pay $8k, but I'm okay though with going up to $12ish. I know, complete overkill probably for my needs but I want to be one and done on this and have this mower last me for at least the next 15 years.
I've got buddies that can get me buddy price on JD, Gravely, and Big Dog but I'm not brand loyal. I'm pretty handy with a wrench and as long as there's a good YouTube or DIY manual on the net I will most likely be doing maintenance/repairs myself so Dealer Service / Proximity won't be a selling point to me. I live in Tulsa so there are all kinds of dealers around me.
Hit me up with some model #s to Google!
Thanks,
Mike
#2
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Shughes717
Any brand you look at in that budget will do the job fast and cut well. As for comfort, I would suggest getting a suspension seat. Some models (hustler super z or big dog Diablo) offer flex forks to help with the ride. Ferris mowers will offer the most comfortable ride due to independent suspension (suggest looking at the is2100 or is3200). The exmark laser z or toro z master series would be fine choices as well. The country clipper defender offers single joystick control and a deck that easily stands up for cleaning and blade sharpening. The scag cheetah and turf tiger are also great options. Great cut quality and well built mowers. The snapper pro s200xt is less expensive than the ferris and is the same mower without the suspension. The John Deere 960 is expensive but a very good mower as well. The kubota z726x is also a great mower. The list goes on and on. The best advice that I can give you is test as many as you can and get the one you like. You don't have to spend that much to get a great mower, but if you can afford it and that is what you want then great.
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Shughes717
Hey folks.
Current equipment is a Cub Cadet M48 Tank for my old place that was a flat 2 acres with 50+ trees (god bless glyphosate!) . For the most part I liked the Cadet other than thrown belts, busted clutch, and some hydros that are starting to get cantankerous. Took me ~1.5 hours to ride then another ~1.5 hours to finish with push mow, edge, blow, etc.
Anyhow enough of the history lesson. I'm moving into 3 acres that has some slight slopes, but way less trees. Also a stream that bisects the property, joy joy! (sarcasm). Terrain is about 85% flat. I'll probably have a landscape company come out with a dump truck or 3 of dirt and a blade to regrade everything to help make mowing a bit easier.
So here is what I'm thinking and my priority list:
#1 Priority, cut quick
#2 Priority, cut nice (has to be a mulcher though)
#3 Priority, comfort (I hate getting beat up and bounced around going over rough terrain!)
To achieve #1 I'm thinking a 60" mower would be a nice upgrade. Budget wise I'd love to only pay $8k, but I'm okay though with going up to $12ish. I know, complete overkill probably for my needs but I want to be one and done on this and have this mower last me for at least the next 15 years.
I've got buddies that can get me buddy price on JD, Gravely, and Big Dog but I'm not brand loyal. I'm pretty handy with a wrench and as long as there's a good YouTube or DIY manual on the net I will most likely be doing maintenance/repairs myself so Dealer Service / Proximity won't be a selling point to me. I live in Tulsa so there are all kinds of dealers around me.
Hit me up with some model #s to Google!
Thanks,
Mike
Any brand you look at in that budget will do the job fast and cut well. As for comfort, I would suggest getting a suspension seat. Some models (hustler super z or big dog Diablo) offer flex forks to help with the ride. Ferris mowers will offer the most comfortable ride due to independent suspension (suggest looking at the is2100 or is3200). The exmark laser z or toro z master series would be fine choices as well. The country clipper defender offers single joystick control and a deck that easily stands up for cleaning and blade sharpening. The scag cheetah and turf tiger are also great options. Great cut quality and well built mowers. The snapper pro s200xt is less expensive than the ferris and is the same mower without the suspension. The John Deere 960 is expensive but a very good mower as well. The kubota z726x is also a great mower. The list goes on and on. The best advice that I can give you is test as many as you can and get the one you like. You don't have to spend that much to get a great mower, but if you can afford it and that is what you want then great.
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Mike Hawk
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Mike Hawk
Was pretty much sold on the Gravely 460 with the 33 HP EFI they sell (Model # 992248 ). However my buddy hookup suggested I should just buy from a local dealer to start building that relationship. So that deal is out.
I was sold on the air suspension seat the Pro 400 brings to the table but of course after reading countless reviews, some say it's not worth the premium, plus just another part to break.
Blarg, now I've started to see if I'll be happy with a $8k mower.
Still on the hunt for the best value with the most bells and whistles that'll make my mow a pleasure.
I was sold on the air suspension seat the Pro 400 brings to the table but of course after reading countless reviews, some say it's not worth the premium, plus just another part to break.
Blarg, now I've started to see if I'll be happy with a $8k mower.
Still on the hunt for the best value with the most bells and whistles that'll make my mow a pleasure.
#4
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Shughes717
$8k is plenty of budget for 3 acres. I mow 4.2 acres with a 48" snapper pro s150xt and it handles my lawn with ease. It cost me about $5500 in 2012 (a 52" runs about $7k now).Takes about 2 hours and 15 minutes. All of the major brands offer a great mower in that range and have similar drive train options. Hustler x one (big dog Diablo), scag tiger cat, toro zmaster 3000, snapper pro s150xt (s200xt in some places), husqvarna mzt (pzt in some places), gravely pro turn 100 series, ferris is700, kubota z700 series, and country clipper charger, etc. You can get a suspension seat with any of those brands to improve the ride. If you want the best ride then take a look at the ferris is2100. It is a little over the $8k budget ($9k range), but you can't beat the ride. What brands are available in your area?
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Shughes717
Was pretty much sold on the Gravely 460 with the 33 HP EFI they sell (Model # 992248 ). However my buddy hookup suggested I should just buy from a local dealer to start building that relationship. So that deal is out.
I was sold on the air suspension seat the Pro 400 brings to the table but of course after reading countless reviews, some say it's not worth the premium, plus just another part to break.
Blarg, now I've started to see if I'll be happy with a $8k mower.
Still on the hunt for the best value with the most bells and whistles that'll make my mow a pleasure.
$8k is plenty of budget for 3 acres. I mow 4.2 acres with a 48" snapper pro s150xt and it handles my lawn with ease. It cost me about $5500 in 2012 (a 52" runs about $7k now).Takes about 2 hours and 15 minutes. All of the major brands offer a great mower in that range and have similar drive train options. Hustler x one (big dog Diablo), scag tiger cat, toro zmaster 3000, snapper pro s150xt (s200xt in some places), husqvarna mzt (pzt in some places), gravely pro turn 100 series, ferris is700, kubota z700 series, and country clipper charger, etc. You can get a suspension seat with any of those brands to improve the ride. If you want the best ride then take a look at the ferris is2100. It is a little over the $8k budget ($9k range), but you can't beat the ride. What brands are available in your area?
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Mike Hawk
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Mike Hawk
Pretty much any brand is available round these parts (Tulsa). Some dealers are 10 min away, some are 30-45. I don't really care about dealer closeness though as I plan to do most of the maintenance myself other than warranty work (knock on wood: NONE! :smile: )
#6
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Shughes717
The mowers I listed would all be great options for you, and any of them could handle your lawn in well under 2 hours. As you know most people are brand loyal. Like you, I don't fall into that line of thinking. They all offer a commercial deck and similar drive trains. After that you are paying for paint and some different features. My 3 personal favorites close to your budget are as follows.
Ferris is2100: independent suspension gives an awesome ride
Country clipper boss or charger: single joystick control is more comfortable than pushing two levers in front of you and the stand up deck is one of the best features out there. Makes changing blades and cleaning very easy.
Hustler xone/ big dog Diablo (never used big dog but appears to be same design): well built mowers with flex fork option to improve the ride some.
The next few are in no particular order but all great mowers.
Toro zmaster series/exmark pioneer s series: a little pricey for the drive train options you get but very well built machines with great dealer support. The laser z is one of the top mowers on the market (excellent mower just expensive).
Kubota z725 z726: the newest models in their line. Fast, well made, and also have great dealer support.
Snapper pro s150xt or s200xt: same mower as the ferris, just doesn't have the suspension. Good dealer support and gives you the most bang for your buck (for those of us on a set budget). Can get a vanguard or fx series Kawi engine with top of the line hydrogear zt5400 hydros for a price much lower than most other brands.
Scag tiger cat or cheetah: great cut quality, well made, the cheetah has a high range up to 16 mph for transport (won't mow that fast).
There are several other brands out there that would be worth looking at. Bobcat, bush hog, john Deere (very pricey), dixie chopper (solid mowers but their fastest mower in the world slogan is a lie), and of course gravely ( don't know much about them because there aren't any dealers close, but appear to be well made).
In truth every commercial ztr mower I have ever used is a quality, well built machine. With your budget, youwill get a great mower no matter what you go with.
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Shughes717
Pretty much any brand is available round these parts (Tulsa). Some dealers are 10 min away, some are 30-45. I don't really care about dealer closeness though as I plan to do most of the maintenance myself other than warranty work (knock on wood: NONE! :smile: )
The mowers I listed would all be great options for you, and any of them could handle your lawn in well under 2 hours. As you know most people are brand loyal. Like you, I don't fall into that line of thinking. They all offer a commercial deck and similar drive trains. After that you are paying for paint and some different features. My 3 personal favorites close to your budget are as follows.
Ferris is2100: independent suspension gives an awesome ride
Country clipper boss or charger: single joystick control is more comfortable than pushing two levers in front of you and the stand up deck is one of the best features out there. Makes changing blades and cleaning very easy.
Hustler xone/ big dog Diablo (never used big dog but appears to be same design): well built mowers with flex fork option to improve the ride some.
The next few are in no particular order but all great mowers.
Toro zmaster series/exmark pioneer s series: a little pricey for the drive train options you get but very well built machines with great dealer support. The laser z is one of the top mowers on the market (excellent mower just expensive).
Kubota z725 z726: the newest models in their line. Fast, well made, and also have great dealer support.
Snapper pro s150xt or s200xt: same mower as the ferris, just doesn't have the suspension. Good dealer support and gives you the most bang for your buck (for those of us on a set budget). Can get a vanguard or fx series Kawi engine with top of the line hydrogear zt5400 hydros for a price much lower than most other brands.
Scag tiger cat or cheetah: great cut quality, well made, the cheetah has a high range up to 16 mph for transport (won't mow that fast).
There are several other brands out there that would be worth looking at. Bobcat, bush hog, john Deere (very pricey), dixie chopper (solid mowers but their fastest mower in the world slogan is a lie), and of course gravely ( don't know much about them because there aren't any dealers close, but appear to be well made).
In truth every commercial ztr mower I have ever used is a quality, well built machine. With your budget, youwill get a great mower no matter what you go with.
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clpolcar
clpolcar
Hustler super z is super fast. Cutes nice. Scags are fast too and cute nice. Exmarks have a gorgeous cute. Ferris mowershave a nice cut and good ride. Rely depends on what color of a mower you want lol. But I word get one with a Kawasaki engine on it.
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Shughes717
The super z is one of my favorite mowers as well. It is one of the fastest mowers out there. Can't get one anywhere close to $8k though. The vanguard is every bit as good an engine as the Kawi. Can't go wrong with either of them.
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Shughes717
Hustler super z is super fast. Cutes nice. Scags are fast too and cute nice. Exmarks have a gorgeous cute. Ferris mowershave a nice cut and good ride. Rely depends on what color of a mower you want lol. But I word get one with a Kawasaki engine on it.
The super z is one of my favorite mowers as well. It is one of the fastest mowers out there. Can't get one anywhere close to $8k though. The vanguard is every bit as good an engine as the Kawi. Can't go wrong with either of them.
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clpolcar
clpolcar
The Briggs vanguard is the only Briggs I will own if I had to. I prefer Kawasaki tho. But when it comes down to price go with what can be afforded. I have a ferris with Kawasaki engine. Love it. Wish I could have afforded a mower with separate wheel motors and pumps.
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Shughes717
Why? The zt3400 hydros and zt5400 hydros are great transmissions. Plenty of power, no hydraulic lines to leak, and durable. I know many lawn care people prefer separate motors and pumps, but the higher end hydrogear units are whats standard on most commercial brands now a days. As for the vanguard vs kawasaki, have you ever owned a mower with the vanguard? If you haven't how can you have an informed opinion as to which is best? I currently have an fx series Kawi on my mower, and my dad has the big block vanguard on his. Both are great engines. I can't say that one is better than the other. The vanguard is even priced a little better on many heavy duty commercial mowers out there.
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Shughes717
The Briggs vanguard is the only Briggs I will own if I had to. I prefer Kawasaki tho. But when it comes down to price go with what can be afforded. I have a ferris with Kawasaki engine. Love it. Wish I could have afforded a mower with separate wheel motors and pumps.
Why? The zt3400 hydros and zt5400 hydros are great transmissions. Plenty of power, no hydraulic lines to leak, and durable. I know many lawn care people prefer separate motors and pumps, but the higher end hydrogear units are whats standard on most commercial brands now a days. As for the vanguard vs kawasaki, have you ever owned a mower with the vanguard? If you haven't how can you have an informed opinion as to which is best? I currently have an fx series Kawi on my mower, and my dad has the big block vanguard on his. Both are great engines. I can't say that one is better than the other. The vanguard is even priced a little better on many heavy duty commercial mowers out there.
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clpolcar
clpolcar
Personally I feel the separate pumps are more responsive. And yes I've owned both engines. I've had old Briggs I/C engines, vanguard engines and Kawasaki engines. I just feel that the Kawasaki engine is very durable and powerful for the size and hp ratings. I'm not a Hugh fan of the newer Briggs. The vanguard is about the only Briggs I would own.
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Shughes717
I will agree with you on the intek and other lower end briggs. Although, there have been several good reviews on the commercial turf engine. If we are talking about engine options on mowers in the $8k range though you are looking at the vanguard or the fx series Kawi. I am a big fan of both. My uncle prefers the kohler efi. he will only buy a mower with that engine. All of the heavy duty commercial engines should be much more powerful and durable than the lower end models. The vanguard isn't even built by briggs. Made by Diahatsu (witch is owned by Toyota). I also hear about how much more responsive separate pumps and motors are. They do respond well, but the hydrogear units respond well. The separate pumps and motors may be a little more responsive. There are advantages to both. The one big thing for me is no hydraulic hoses on hydrogear. As I said earlier hydrogear is what most brands are going with now. There are fewer and fewer models on the market with separate pumps and motors.
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Shughes717
Personally I feel the separate pumps are more responsive. And yes I've owned both engines. I've had old Briggs I/C engines, vanguard engines and Kawasaki engines. I just feel that the Kawasaki engine is very durable and powerful for the size and hp ratings. I'm not a Hugh fan of the newer Briggs. The vanguard is about the only Briggs I would own.
I will agree with you on the intek and other lower end briggs. Although, there have been several good reviews on the commercial turf engine. If we are talking about engine options on mowers in the $8k range though you are looking at the vanguard or the fx series Kawi. I am a big fan of both. My uncle prefers the kohler efi. he will only buy a mower with that engine. All of the heavy duty commercial engines should be much more powerful and durable than the lower end models. The vanguard isn't even built by briggs. Made by Diahatsu (witch is owned by Toyota). I also hear about how much more responsive separate pumps and motors are. They do respond well, but the hydrogear units respond well. The separate pumps and motors may be a little more responsive. There are advantages to both. The one big thing for me is no hydraulic hoses on hydrogear. As I said earlier hydrogear is what most brands are going with now. There are fewer and fewer models on the market with separate pumps and motors.
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Mike Hawk
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Mike Hawk
So the 2100z 61" is back to the top of my list.
Now to decide on an engine. I'm leaning towards the Vanguard 810cc EFI for $8,350. Unless there's a compelling argument to spend $700 more for the Kohler EFI.
61 inch deck 26 hp Vanguard 810cc V-Twin $7975
61 inch deck 25.5 hp Kawasaki FX $8525
61 inch deck 28 hp Vanguard 810cc EFI $8350
61 inch deck 32 hp Vanguard Big Block $8775
61 inch deck 27 hp Kohler Command Pro EFI $9025
Edit, Dang you Retrodog!!! This post now has me leaning towards the Bad Boy Outlaw XP! lolol http://www.lawnsite.com/showpost.php?p=5213163&postcount=7
Now to decide on an engine. I'm leaning towards the Vanguard 810cc EFI for $8,350. Unless there's a compelling argument to spend $700 more for the Kohler EFI.
61 inch deck 26 hp Vanguard 810cc V-Twin $7975
61 inch deck 25.5 hp Kawasaki FX $8525
61 inch deck 28 hp Vanguard 810cc EFI $8350
61 inch deck 32 hp Vanguard Big Block $8775
61 inch deck 27 hp Kohler Command Pro EFI $9025
Edit, Dang you Retrodog!!! This post now has me leaning towards the Bad Boy Outlaw XP! lolol http://www.lawnsite.com/showpost.php?p=5213163&postcount=7
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Shughes717
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Shughes717
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Any answers to this question are going to be opinion based only, but I will try to give a valid reason for my personal rankings. My top choices for the engine options would be as follows.
32 hp vanguard: That's the engine on my dad's s200xt and you can't stall it. He has used that mower to mow the pasture beside his house with 2' grass and clover mix. The belts will spin on the deck before you stall the engine.
28 hp vanguard Efi: still plenty of power and very fuel efficient.
25.5 hp fx series kawasaki: even though it has less hp than the others it is a torque monster. Can handle a deck that 61" mowing at full speed with no problem.
26 hp vanguard: again enough power for a 61" deck to mow just about anything you need to mow.
27 hp kohler Efi: my uncle swears by these engines and seem to hold up pretty well. Not as much torque as the Kawi or vanguard, but still powerful enough for a mower that size.
You won't be disappointed with the ferris no matter what engine you choose. The zt4400 hydros are commercial and rugged enough to last years, the icd deck leaves a great cut, and you can't beat the ride of a ferris.
Btw, retro dog obviously doesn't know much about ferris mowers. Saying the is700 is the same as the zt is crazy. The is700 has commercial zt3400 hydros, and the commercial fs series Kawi engine and weighs 200 lbs more. Which of those two sounds heavier made? The 4999 zt elite has the residential fr series Kawi engine, smaller hydros which are 3 mph slower than the ferris will mow, and holds only half the fuel the is700 does.The outlaw is a very well built, heavy made mower, but I have never heard of the frame on any commercial ztr mower giving trouble. They are all built sturdy. I have a snapper pro s150xt which is on the same frame as the ferris. I mounted a 30 water tank on the frame to spray my lawn. I bounce around with an extra 250 lbs on my mower and have had no frame issues.
So the 2100z 61" is back to the top of my list.
Now to decide on an engine. I'm leaning towards the Vanguard 810cc EFI for $8,350. Unless there's a compelling argument to spend $700 more for the Kohler EFI.
61 inch deck 26 hp Vanguard 810cc V-Twin $7975
61 inch deck 25.5 hp Kawasaki FX $8525
61 inch deck 28 hp Vanguard 810cc EFI $8350
61 inch deck 32 hp Vanguard Big Block $8775
61 inch deck 27 hp Kohler Command Pro EFI $9025
Edit, Dang you Retrodog!!! This post now has me leaning towards the Bad Boy Outlaw XP! lolol http://www.lawnsite.com/showpost.php?p=5213163&postcount=7
Any answers to this question are going to be opinion based only, but I will try to give a valid reason for my personal rankings. My top choices for the engine options would be as follows.
32 hp vanguard: That's the engine on my dad's s200xt and you can't stall it. He has used that mower to mow the pasture beside his house with 2' grass and clover mix. The belts will spin on the deck before you stall the engine.
28 hp vanguard Efi: still plenty of power and very fuel efficient.
25.5 hp fx series kawasaki: even though it has less hp than the others it is a torque monster. Can handle a deck that 61" mowing at full speed with no problem.
26 hp vanguard: again enough power for a 61" deck to mow just about anything you need to mow.
27 hp kohler Efi: my uncle swears by these engines and seem to hold up pretty well. Not as much torque as the Kawi or vanguard, but still powerful enough for a mower that size.
You won't be disappointed with the ferris no matter what engine you choose. The zt4400 hydros are commercial and rugged enough to last years, the icd deck leaves a great cut, and you can't beat the ride of a ferris.
Btw, retro dog obviously doesn't know much about ferris mowers. Saying the is700 is the same as the zt is crazy. The is700 has commercial zt3400 hydros, and the commercial fs series Kawi engine and weighs 200 lbs more. Which of those two sounds heavier made? The 4999 zt elite has the residential fr series Kawi engine, smaller hydros which are 3 mph slower than the ferris will mow, and holds only half the fuel the is700 does.The outlaw is a very well built, heavy made mower, but I have never heard of the frame on any commercial ztr mower giving trouble. They are all built sturdy. I have a snapper pro s150xt which is on the same frame as the ferris. I mounted a 30 water tank on the frame to spray my lawn. I bounce around with an extra 250 lbs on my mower and have had no frame issues.
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1striper1
shughes - you may want to clarify which Vanguard is the highly regarded and rated BIG BLOCK engine which is actually made by Daihatsu.
Here is a link to the Vanguard website:
27 Gross HP* H/S Air Cooled V-Twin Big Block | Engine | Vanguard Commercial Power
IMO - if you want to get a B&S it has to be the big block. Otherwise a FX Kawi is a solid choice. Retrodog sure likes that Kohler EFI but I tried to demo a Deere with one last summer and they couldn't get it started. Maybe it was just that one time but it left a bad taste in my mouth.
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1striper1
Any answers to this question are going to be opinion based only, but I will try to give a valid reason for my personal rankings. My top choices for the engine options would be as follows.
32 hp vanguard: That's the engine on my dad's s200xt and you can't stall it. He has used that mower to mow the pasture beside his house with 2' grass and clover mix. The belts will spin on the deck before you stall the engine.
28 hp vanguard Efi: still plenty of power and very fuel efficient.
25.5 hp fx series kawasaki: even though it has less hp than the others it is a torque monster. Can handle a deck that 61" mowing at full speed with no problem.
26 hp vanguard: again enough power for a 61" deck to mow just about anything you need to mow.
27 hp kohler Efi: my uncle swears by these engines and seem to hold up pretty well. Not as much torque as the Kawi or vanguard, but still powerful enough for a mower that size.
You won't be disappointed with the ferris no matter what engine you choose. The zt4400 hydros are commercial and rugged enough to last year's, the icd deck leave a great cut, and you can't beat the ride of a ferris.
shughes - you may want to clarify which Vanguard is the highly regarded and rated BIG BLOCK engine which is actually made by Daihatsu.
Here is a link to the Vanguard website:
27 Gross HP* H/S Air Cooled V-Twin Big Block | Engine | Vanguard Commercial Power
IMO - if you want to get a B&S it has to be the big block. Otherwise a FX Kawi is a solid choice. Retrodog sure likes that Kohler EFI but I tried to demo a Deere with one last summer and they couldn't get it started. Maybe it was just that one time but it left a bad taste in my mouth.
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Mike Hawk
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Mike Hawk
So the 2100z doesn't deserve the down talk retrodog speaks of?
As you can see I am a swaying sale right now. Lol.
As you can see I am a swaying sale right now. Lol.
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Shughes717
The czt elite compares to the is700 not the is2100. The is2100 has the same drive train options as the outlaw Xp. The outlaw is built like a tank, but it's not like the is2100 is made of paper. Just look at the gvw of both. There isn't 50 lbs difference in the weight of the outlaw xp and the is2100. If it was made so much better then why isn't it 200 lbs heavier?
Yes 1striper1, the big block would be my first choice. However, the vanguard engine was designed by Diahatsu and all are great engines. I too am a big kawasaki engine fan. As I mentioned it's going to be varying opinions when it comes to choice of engines.
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Shughes717
So the 2100z doesn't deserve the down talk retrodog speaks of?
As you can see I am a swaying sale right now. Lol.
The czt elite compares to the is700 not the is2100. The is2100 has the same drive train options as the outlaw Xp. The outlaw is built like a tank, but it's not like the is2100 is made of paper. Just look at the gvw of both. There isn't 50 lbs difference in the weight of the outlaw xp and the is2100. If it was made so much better then why isn't it 200 lbs heavier?
Yes 1striper1, the big block would be my first choice. However, the vanguard engine was designed by Diahatsu and all are great engines. I too am a big kawasaki engine fan. As I mentioned it's going to be varying opinions when it comes to choice of engines.
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Shughes717
As for the ride difference between the is3100 and the is2100, the is3100 is on a larger platform, and is heavier. However the is2100 will ride better than any other mower in its class. If you want to improve it even more get the suspension seat to go along with the independent suspension. Try them for yourself. You will see first hand what I mean.
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1striper1
I thought only the Big Block Vanguards were made by Daihatsu. ALL Vanguard are? If true.....I stand corrected!:ashamed:
So true on the engine thing. I had an oil burning 27 hp B&S Professional Series that soured me on those engines.
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1striper1
Yes 1striper1, the big block would be my first choice. However, the vanguard engine was designed by Diahatsu and all are great engines. I too am a big kawasaki engine fan. As I mentioned it's going to be varying opinions when it comes to choice of engines.
I thought only the Big Block Vanguards were made by Daihatsu. ALL Vanguard are? If true.....I stand corrected!:ashamed:
So true on the engine thing. I had an oil burning 27 hp B&S Professional Series that soured me on those engines.
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Shughes717
Someone posted a link that indicates the vanguard is made in the U.S. Now, but the design is from Diahatsu.
I am no fan of the professional series briggs either. Did yours have the flat style air filter like what is seen in cars and trucks?
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I thought only the Big Block Vanguards were made by Daihatsu. ALL Vanguard are? If true.....I stand corrected!:ashamed:
So true on the engine thing. I had an oil burning 27 hp B&S Professional Series that soured me on those engines.
Someone posted a link that indicates the vanguard is made in the U.S. Now, but the design is from Diahatsu.
I am no fan of the professional series briggs either. Did yours have the flat style air filter like what is seen in cars and trucks?
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Mike Hawk
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Mike Hawk
So now I'm back to the 460 after this guy said it ran smoother than the Ferris. Lol, dang I need to get off the pot!
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You are getting others opinions, and they they are just that (an opinion). Try them all for yourself. That is the best way to get what you want. The 460 is more comparable to the is3200 if you are wanting a fair comparison. Btw, the is3200 also has zt5400 hydros. They are common on the high end mowers you are looking at. Even my snapper pro s150xt has zt5400 hydros. All of the high end mowers will offer similar drive trains. You should pay less attention to those who say this mower is built better than that mower. All of them come with a heavy duty frame, fabricated deck, and top of the line power train. You said you were looking in the $8k range. The 460 is going to run quite a bit more than $8k. You should set a budget, and test every brand you can find in that budget. Pick the one you like best. No one else's opinion should matter to you. Any machine you go with that cost $8k and up will be a quality mower.
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So now I'm back to the 460 after this guy said it ran smoother than the Ferris. Lol, dang I need to get off the pot!
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You are getting others opinions, and they they are just that (an opinion). Try them all for yourself. That is the best way to get what you want. The 460 is more comparable to the is3200 if you are wanting a fair comparison. Btw, the is3200 also has zt5400 hydros. They are common on the high end mowers you are looking at. Even my snapper pro s150xt has zt5400 hydros. All of the high end mowers will offer similar drive trains. You should pay less attention to those who say this mower is built better than that mower. All of them come with a heavy duty frame, fabricated deck, and top of the line power train. You said you were looking in the $8k range. The 460 is going to run quite a bit more than $8k. You should set a budget, and test every brand you can find in that budget. Pick the one you like best. No one else's opinion should matter to you. Any machine you go with that cost $8k and up will be a quality mower.
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Mike Hawk
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Mike Hawk
Thank you for the input. I really have no budget on this subject, I want the best. Granted I'd much rather spend $4k on the mower but my time/comfort are worth a lot to me, hence why my budget is out the window.
And yes, I do need to demo the mowers I have my heart set on. Only problem though is I highly doubt a 5 min run up and down a dealer's lot is gonna give me a good feel for a mower. I realize they all basically have the same guts, it simply boils down to this:
Ferris: Patented coil overs,are they worth it? Is it a gimmick, how does it compare to a Gravely air seat?
Gravely: Air seat: is it worth it? Is it a gimmick, how does it compare to a Ferris coil overs?
Bad Boy: Is their value worth looking into? Will they provide me the same/better ride than a Ferris or Gravely for thousands less?
And yes, I do need to demo the mowers I have my heart set on. Only problem though is I highly doubt a 5 min run up and down a dealer's lot is gonna give me a good feel for a mower. I realize they all basically have the same guts, it simply boils down to this:
Ferris: Patented coil overs,are they worth it? Is it a gimmick, how does it compare to a Gravely air seat?
Gravely: Air seat: is it worth it? Is it a gimmick, how does it compare to a Ferris coil overs?
Bad Boy: Is their value worth looking into? Will they provide me the same/better ride than a Ferris or Gravely for thousands less?
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The badboy outlaw won't be thousands less than a comparable ferris or gravely. I have already addressed that. Just look at the drive train on the model outlaw you are looking at compared to other brands with the same drive train. Badboy is priced in line with them. If you want to save thousands on a high end mower then snapper pro will give you the most bang for your buck. You can get a top of the line drive train, and the same icd deck as on the ferris for a little over $8k. You can get a suspension seat for it and it will ride as good as the badboy. A suspension, or air ride seat is not a gimmick. Both will improve the ride. Imo nothing compares to the ride of a ferris. You will have to kick the tires and form your own opinion to ensure you will be happy with your purchase.
The is2100 and a suspension seat gives one of the best rides I have ever had on a mower. If you want to spend $12k to mow 3 acres then by all means look into a gravely 460, ferris is3200, john Deere 960, exmark lazer z, hustler super z, etc.. All are top of the line mowers. You are right about not getting a complete feel for a mower by running it 5 minutes on a parking lot. You should see if they will allow you to mow some with it and run it over some ground that's not as smooth. Around here dealers have demo machines, but I understand thats not common in other areas.
All of the mowers you are looking at are complete overkill for 3 acres. It shouldn't take much over an hour to mow. As I mentioned earlier I mow a little over 4 acres that has numerous obstacles on the property with a 48" snapper pro s150xt and it takes me 2 hours and 15 minutes.
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Shughes717
Thank you for the input. I really have no budget on this subject, I want the best. Granted I'd much rather spend $4k on the mower but my time/comfort are worth a lot to me, hence why my budget is out the window.
And yes, I do need to demo the mowers I have my heart set on. Only problem though is I highly doubt a 5 min run up and down a dealer's lot is gonna give me a good feel for a mower. I realize they all basically have the same guts, it simply boils down to this:
Ferris: Patented coil overs,are they worth it? Is it a gimmick, how does it compare to a Gravely air seat?
Gravely: Air seat: is it worth it? Is it a gimmick, how does it compare to a Ferris coil overs?
Bad Boy: Is their value worth looking into? Will they provide me the same/better ride than a Ferris or Gravely for thousands less?
The badboy outlaw won't be thousands less than a comparable ferris or gravely. I have already addressed that. Just look at the drive train on the model outlaw you are looking at compared to other brands with the same drive train. Badboy is priced in line with them. If you want to save thousands on a high end mower then snapper pro will give you the most bang for your buck. You can get a top of the line drive train, and the same icd deck as on the ferris for a little over $8k. You can get a suspension seat for it and it will ride as good as the badboy. A suspension, or air ride seat is not a gimmick. Both will improve the ride. Imo nothing compares to the ride of a ferris. You will have to kick the tires and form your own opinion to ensure you will be happy with your purchase.
The is2100 and a suspension seat gives one of the best rides I have ever had on a mower. If you want to spend $12k to mow 3 acres then by all means look into a gravely 460, ferris is3200, john Deere 960, exmark lazer z, hustler super z, etc.. All are top of the line mowers. You are right about not getting a complete feel for a mower by running it 5 minutes on a parking lot. You should see if they will allow you to mow some with it and run it over some ground that's not as smooth. Around here dealers have demo machines, but I understand thats not common in other areas.
All of the mowers you are looking at are complete overkill for 3 acres. It shouldn't take much over an hour to mow. As I mentioned earlier I mow a little over 4 acres that has numerous obstacles on the property with a 48" snapper pro s150xt and it takes me 2 hours and 15 minutes.
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Vanousb
Exmark pioneer s 60 inch. Add the full suspension seat. Will be at you 8k end, but unless you want to go into the lawn business (and if I missed that comment in you post sorry and I up it to lazer series) it will give you speed, quality, and longevity for many years to come. It is residential but is boarder line professional mower. Can only speak from my experience from looking to buying to mowing with a 60 inch pioneer s. I mow 3 with mine. With that said, you price point will get you a quality mower from any of the big hitters. Best bet...try to demo as many as you can and go with what feels right. You friend is right,..go local and build relationship you can count on.
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Shughes717
The pioneer s series is a commercial mower. The fx series Kawi engine is heavy duty commercial.The zt3400 hydros are commercial as well. The deck is also a commercial deck. It may not be the largest engine or hydros available for a 60" mower, but it is a commercial mower. The E series is the one that would be closer to a higher end residential unit.
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Shughes717
Exmark pioneer s 60 inch. Add the full suspension seat. Will be at you 8k end, but unless you want to go into the lawn business (and if I missed that comment in you post sorry and I up it to lazer series) it will give you speed, quality, and longevity for many years to come. It is residential but is boarder line professional mower. Can only speak from my experience from looking to buying to mowing with a 60 inch pioneer s. I mow 3 with mine. With that said, you price point will get you a quality mower from any of the big hitters. Best bet...try to demo as many as you can and go with what feels right. You friend is right,..go local and build relationship you can count on.
The pioneer s series is a commercial mower. The fx series Kawi engine is heavy duty commercial.The zt3400 hydros are commercial as well. The deck is also a commercial deck. It may not be the largest engine or hydros available for a 60" mower, but it is a commercial mower. The E series is the one that would be closer to a higher end residential unit.
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Thanks for clarifying shughes 717. When I bought it was advertised as the in between mower with features of commercial mower targeted at residential users price point. Guess that's where I get my description from. The pioneer kind of offers both. And yes...those features you list are what comes on s series....thus commercial features. So entry commercial might be a good way to describe.
Vanousb
The pioneer s series is a commercial mower. The fx series Kawi engine is heavy duty commerciall. The zt3400 hydros are commercial as well. The deck is also a commercial deck. It may not be the largest engine or hydros available for a 60" mower, but it is a commercial mower. The E series is the one that would be closer to a higher end residential unit.
Thanks for clarifying shughes 717. When I bought it was advertised as the in between mower with features of commercial mower targeted at residential users price point. Guess that's where I get my description from. The pioneer kind of offers both. And yes...those features you list are what comes on s series....thus commercial features. So entry commercial might be a good way to describe.
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When I first started looking into zero turns I wanted john Deere. But after looking into things further I noticed most all the brands share the same parts. So I started looking at who gave you the most heavy duty parts for the money. Then started gathering review of mowing decks performance. Because thats what the finish products relies on. Then I narrowed it down even more by dealer locations.
I went with snapper pro. Has most heavy duty parts and frame for the money. Dealer support is 15 minute drive.
Actually went to Ferris dealer first, had a bad experience there.
I went with snapper pro. Has most heavy duty parts and frame for the money. Dealer support is 15 minute drive.
Actually went to Ferris dealer first, had a bad experience there.
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Shughes717
Totally agree about snapper pro. Can get a lot of mower for a better price. Btw, how are you liking that s200x with the commercial turf?
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Shughes717
When I first started looking into zero turns I wanted john Deere. But after looking into things further I noticed most all the brands share the same parts. So I started looking at who gave you the most heavy duty parts for the money. Then started gathering review of mowing decks performance. Because thats what the finish products relies on. Then I narrowed it down even more by dealer locations.
I went with snapper pro. Has most heavy duty parts and frame for the money. Dealer support is 15 minute drive.
Actually went to Ferris dealer first, had a bad experience there.
Totally agree about snapper pro. Can get a lot of mower for a better price. Btw, how are you liking that s200x with the commercial turf?
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diamatron
Love my Snapper Pro. No issues with anything. Of course I only have a little over 20 hours on it! Had to mow wet grass this week, the ICD deck performed very well! I would like to to get a set of Gator Mulching blades, but they don't seem to make a compatible set.
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diamatron
Totally agree about snapper pro. Can get a lot of mower for a better price. Btw, how are you liking that s200x with the commercial turf?
Love my Snapper Pro. No issues with anything. Of course I only have a little over 20 hours on it! Had to mow wet grass this week, the ICD deck performed very well! I would like to to get a set of Gator Mulching blades, but they don't seem to make a compatible set.
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clpolcar
What size deck? I have gator blades on my ferris icdLove my Snapper Pro. No issues with anything. Of course I only have a little over 20 hours on it! Had to mow wet grass this week, the ICD deck performed very well! I would like to to get a set of Gator Mulching blades, but they don't seem to make a compatible set.
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Diamatron has the 61" deck. I don't believe g 6 blades are offered for the icd deck, but there are gator blades available.
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What size deck? I have gator blades on my ferris icd
Diamatron has the 61" deck. I don't believe g 6 blades are offered for the icd deck, but there are gator blades available.
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Shughes717
What do you think of the G5 blades? I have read some posts on here that don't give them quite as many positive reviews as the g6 blades get.
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Shughes717
Snapper Gator Blades - G5 Gator Blades
Link for gator blades g5
What do you think of the G5 blades? I have read some posts on here that don't give them quite as many positive reviews as the g6 blades get.
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clpolcar
I have the g6 on my ferris and they do a pretty good job. Never used the g5 blades. I think the only difference is there a little less durable. Probably the cutting edge is not as strong as the g6. If it was me I'd probably use them.
clpolcar
What do you think of the G5 blades? I have read some posts on here that don't give them quite as many positive reviews as the g6 blades get.
I have the g6 on my ferris and they do a pretty good job. Never used the g5 blades. I think the only difference is there a little less durable. Probably the cutting edge is not as strong as the g6. If it was me I'd probably use them.
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How do you have g6 blades on a ferris? Does your mower date back prior to the icd deck?
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Shughes717
I have the g6 on my ferris and they do a pretty good job. Never used the g5 blades. I think the only difference is there a little less durable. Probably the cutting edge is not as strong as the g6. If it was me I'd probably use them.
How do you have g6 blades on a ferris? Does your mower date back prior to the icd deck?
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clpolcar
My ferris is a 2014 model with the icd. They do a pretty good job. Even bagging with side catcher they do good
clpolcar
How do you have g6 blades on a ferris? Does your mower date back prior to the icd deck?
My ferris is a 2014 model with the icd. They do a pretty good job. Even bagging with side catcher they do good
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Shughes717
I went to my local supply store in search of g6 blades for my 48" icd deck. The catalog read that g6 blades were not available for the icd deck. I am interested in trying them out, but have been unable to find them.
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Shughes717
My ferris is a 2014 model with the icd. They do a pretty good job. Even bagging with side catcher they do good
I went to my local supply store in search of g6 blades for my 48" icd deck. The catalog read that g6 blades were not available for the icd deck. I am interested in trying them out, but have been unable to find them.
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clpolcar
I ordered mine from here
Ferris Gator Blades - G6 Gator Blades
clpolcar
I went to my local supply store in search of g6 blades for my 48" icd deck. The catalog read that g6 blades were not available for the icd deck. I am interested in trying them out, but have been unable to find them.
I ordered mine from here
Ferris Gator Blades - G6 Gator Blades
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Shughes717
Thanks, I will take the part number to the local store and get them to order me some.
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Shughes717
I ordered mine from here
Ferris Gator Blades - G6 Gator Blades
Thanks, I will take the part number to the local store and get them to order me some.
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clpolcar
clpolcar
I went to order them from my local shop and they were about 100. Ordered them from that website and only got 75 shipped
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Mike Hawk
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Mike Hawk
OP here with an update. I know you're all riveted to your seats and eagerly awaiting my decision, lol
Gonna check out the following this Saturday:
Ferris 2100z
Gravely Pro 400
Badboy Outlaw XP
Woot?
Gonna check out the following this Saturday:
Ferris 2100z
Gravely Pro 400
Badboy Outlaw XP
Woot?
#43
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Shughes717
If you want to compare apples to apples, then you should compare the is3200 to the gravely 460. The is2100 will compare well to the outlaw though (if you are demoing both with the big block vanguard).
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Shughes717
OP here with an update. I know you're all riveted to your seats and eagerly awaiting my decision, lol
Gonna check out the following this Saturday:
Ferris 2100z
Gravely Pro 400
Badboy Outlaw XP
Woot?
If you want to compare apples to apples, then you should compare the is3200 to the gravely 460. The is2100 will compare well to the outlaw though (if you are demoing both with the big block vanguard).
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Mike Hawk
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Mike Hawk
Back from demos:
Gravely 460: Sales guy seemed disinterested. Wouldn't want me to drive the mower in grass so we just left after sitting on it. Only went to this location as my local Gravely dealer was closed today.
Ferris 2100z: GREAT dealer first impressions. Friendly and polite and didn't try steering me. Dealer practically forced me to drive it and wouldn't take no for an answer! Drove around a brush hogged 1ft tall grass area. Rode nice but I guess my expectations are out of whack cause I was still getting bounced around a bit more than I thought I should. It only had the standard seat though. I want to like the Ferris, but it's also the farthest dealer, at 30+ min one way. Getting serviced where will be a big negative $/Time wise.
Outlaw XP: First impression of dealer was meh. If I go back I'll need to talk to the owner/manager as he was helping another customer while I was there. Could only drive around a parking lot. So couldn't get a real feel for it. Felt VERY similar to the Ferris though. Quote OTD with the Kawa + upgraded seat + hitch + light kit = $10,275. Got expensive QUICK with the upgrades as IIRC the dealer tag said $8,500 IIRC (before tax of course). On the plus side, they said since I'm so close to their shop they'll pickup/deliver for free whenever I need service, SCORE!
I'm going to wait and see if I can get some ride time on the Gravely 460 at my local dealer and see how my first impressions go.
Gravely 460: Sales guy seemed disinterested. Wouldn't want me to drive the mower in grass so we just left after sitting on it. Only went to this location as my local Gravely dealer was closed today.
Ferris 2100z: GREAT dealer first impressions. Friendly and polite and didn't try steering me. Dealer practically forced me to drive it and wouldn't take no for an answer! Drove around a brush hogged 1ft tall grass area. Rode nice but I guess my expectations are out of whack cause I was still getting bounced around a bit more than I thought I should. It only had the standard seat though. I want to like the Ferris, but it's also the farthest dealer, at 30+ min one way. Getting serviced where will be a big negative $/Time wise.
Outlaw XP: First impression of dealer was meh. If I go back I'll need to talk to the owner/manager as he was helping another customer while I was there. Could only drive around a parking lot. So couldn't get a real feel for it. Felt VERY similar to the Ferris though. Quote OTD with the Kawa + upgraded seat + hitch + light kit = $10,275. Got expensive QUICK with the upgrades as IIRC the dealer tag said $8,500 IIRC (before tax of course). On the plus side, they said since I'm so close to their shop they'll pickup/deliver for free whenever I need service, SCORE!
I'm going to wait and see if I can get some ride time on the Gravely 460 at my local dealer and see how my first impressions go.
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Shughes717
Sounds like you are on the right track. Keep us posted
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Shughes717
Back from demos:
Gravely 460: Sales guy seemed disinterested. Wouldn't want me to drive the mower in grass so we just left after sitting on it. Only went to this location as my local Gravely dealer was closed today.
Ferris 2100z: GREAT dealer first impressions. Friendly and polite and didn't try steering me. Dealer practically forced me to drive it and wouldn't take no for an answer! Drove around a brush hogged 1ft tall grass area. Rode nice but I guess my expectations are out of whack cause I was still getting bounced around a bit more than I thought I should. It only had the standard seat though. I want to like the Ferris, but it's also the farthest dealer, at 30+ min one way. Getting serviced where will be a big negative $/Time wise.
Outlaw XP: First impression of dealer was meh. If I go back I'll need to talk to the owner/manager as he was helping another customer while I was there. Could only drive around a parking lot. So couldn't get a real feel for it. Felt VERY similar to the Ferris though. Quote OTD with the Kawa + upgraded seat + hitch + light kit = $10,275. Got expensive QUICK with the upgrades as IIRC the dealer tag said $8,500 IIRC (before tax of course). On the plus side, they said since I'm so close to their shop they'll pickup/deliver for free whenever I need service, SCORE!
I'm going to wait and see if I can get some ride time on the Gravely 460 at my local dealer and see how my first impressions go.
Sounds like you are on the right track. Keep us posted
#46
clpolcar
clpolcar
You can get cheap LED light out with wiring harness for like 40 instead of ferris 250
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Shughes717
Have you made your decision yet mike hawk? If so, what did you go with?
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Shughes717
Back from demos:
Gravely 460: Sales guy seemed disinterested. Wouldn't want me to drive the mower in grass so we just left after sitting on it. Only went to this location as my local Gravely dealer was closed today.
Ferris 2100z: GREAT dealer first impressions. Friendly and polite and didn't try steering me. Dealer practically forced me to drive it and wouldn't take no for an answer! Drove around a brush hogged 1ft tall grass area. Rode nice but I guess my expectations are out of whack cause I was still getting bounced around a bit more than I thought I should. It only had the standard seat though. I want to like the Ferris, but it's also the farthest dealer, at 30+ min one way. Getting serviced where will be a big negative $/Time wise.
Outlaw XP: First impression of dealer was meh. If I go back I'll need to talk to the owner/manager as he was helping another customer while I was there. Could only drive around a parking lot. So couldn't get a real feel for it. Felt VERY similar to the Ferris though. Quote OTD with the Kawa + upgraded seat + hitch + light kit = $10,275. Got expensive QUICK with the upgrades as IIRC the dealer tag said $8,500 IIRC (before tax of course). On the plus side, they said since I'm so close to their shop they'll pickup/deliver for free whenever I need service, SCORE!
I'm going to wait and see if I can get some ride time on the Gravely 460 at my local dealer and see how my first impressions go.
Have you made your decision yet mike hawk? If so, what did you go with?
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Mike Hawk
Not yet. I'll try to swing by the Gravely dealer this weekend.
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Mike Hawk
Have you made your decision yet mike hawk? If so, what did you go with?
Not yet. I'll try to swing by the Gravely dealer this weekend.
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Mike Hawk
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Mike Hawk
Went by the local Gravely dealer and they couldn't find the 33hp EFI Pro 460 in their price list. 
I told them about the 33hp Kohler not making validation or something and they just looked at me like I was speaking in Swahili x 2
They tried to call up Gravely customer service but never got an answer x 3. They then tried to steer me to a 2014 Toro Z Master for a closeout deal for something like $10.5k with rotate knob suspension seat. x 4. I haven't done a lick of Toro research so I just left and said I'd do some more homework x 5
They pretty much could have had a deposit / sale from me on the Gravely if they had tried a bit more :\
I told them about the 33hp Kohler not making validation or something and they just looked at me like I was speaking in Swahili x 2They tried to call up Gravely customer service but never got an answer
x 3. They then tried to steer me to a 2014 Toro Z Master for a closeout deal for something like $10.5k with rotate knob suspension seat. x 4. I haven't done a lick of Toro research so I just left and said I'd do some more homework x 5They pretty much could have had a deposit / sale from me on the Gravely if they had tried a bit more :\
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Shughes717
The zmaster is a good mower. Basically the same mower as the exmark lazer z. Both made by toro
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Shughes717
Went by the local Gravely dealer and they couldn't find the 33hp EFI Pro 460 in their price list.
They tried to call up Gravely customer service but never got an answer
They pretty much could have had a deposit / sale from me on the Gravely if they had tried a bit more :\
The zmaster is a good mower. Basically the same mower as the exmark lazer z. Both made by toro
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Mike Hawk
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Mike Hawk
Well I had settled on the Ferris IS2100z with the Vanguard 810cc EFI as SLE had a volume price @ $8,350. I was hopeful my local dealer would be close. Nah, appears they're charging full MSRP @ $9,599. After 5.4% tax we're talking $10,118 OTD. Yeah, no thanks. Only reason I was looking at the Ferris was for it's value priced comfort.
Guess I'll be looking again at the Outlaw XP.
The saga continues. I think I've gotta be the record holder for taking his time deciding on pulling the trigger. Sigh.
Guess I'll be looking again at the Outlaw XP.
The saga continues. I think I've gotta be the record holder for taking his time deciding on pulling the trigger. Sigh.
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Shughes717
SLE has the best prices I have seen on ferris mowers. Too bad your local dealer wouldn't come down. Good luck with your continued search, and keep us posted.
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Shughes717
Well I had settled on the Ferris IS2100z with the Vanguard 810cc EFI as SLE had a volume price @ $8,350. I was hopeful my local dealer would be close. Nah, appears they're charging full MSRP @ $9,599. After 5.4% tax we're talking $10,118 OTD. Yeah, no thanks. Only reason I was looking at the Ferris was for it's value priced comfort.
Guess I'll be looking again at the Outlaw XP.
The saga continues. I think I've gotta be the record holder for taking his time deciding on pulling the trigger. Sigh.
SLE has the best prices I have seen on ferris mowers. Too bad your local dealer wouldn't come down. Good luck with your continued search, and keep us posted.
#53
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Mad Mackie
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Mad Mackie
Mike Hawk,
The longer you drag this out, the more unhappy you will be with your final decision.
it's just a lawn mower!!!!
However it is more looking like a dollars decision and not a particular make and model!!!
So set a dollar limit and buy the most for the money.
The longer you drag this out, the more unhappy you will be with your final decision.
it's just a lawn mower!!!!
However it is more looking like a dollars decision and not a particular make and model!!!
So set a dollar limit and buy the most for the money.
#54
jekjr
jekjr
Tiger Cat Scags are less than $9K and we are having excellent results with the two we are running. One is close to 400 hours now and the other is close to 200. No problems at all. Much of the cutting has been brutal.
#55
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neighborbill
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neighborbill
I've owned a Scags since 2001. It's a 23 hp Kawasaki Tiger model This thing is a tank. I'm 240 pounds and it carries me and my 15 acres of grass cutting beautiful.. I had to replace both pumps (drive) do to leakage, but I'm not complaining. It was pretty much straight forward. Belts, blades filters the usual. I'd buy another at the drop of a hat.
Keep away from Grass Hoppers (not the bugs).
Once I tested the Scags, there was no need to shop around anymore.
Keep away from Grass Hoppers (not the bugs).
Once I tested the Scags, there was no need to shop around anymore.
#56
jekjr
I had a ZD 326 Kubota 60". It had around 700 hours on it. I bought a Tiger Cat Scag last Summer. It was doing so much better job for me that I traded the 326 in and bought another Tiger Cat. The Velocity deck cuts stemmed grass like Pensacola Bahia better than any mower I personally have ever witnessed.
We took our two Tiger Cats this past Friday and cut 2 Acres of Bahia in one pass that there is absolutely no way that the Kubotas or anything else I have seen work would have cut as clean in one pass. We would honestly have not got as good of cut in two,passes with the Kubota mowers.
I still have a ZG 222 Kubota and will probably sell it next year and get a third Tiger Cat. They are awesome little mowers.
jekjr
I've owned a Scags since 2001. It's a 23 hp Kawasaki Tiger model This thing is a tank. I'm 240 pounds and it carries me and my 15 acres of grass cutting beautiful.. I had to replace both pumps (drive) do to leakage, but I'm not complaining. It was pretty much straight forward. Belts, blades filters the usual. I'd buy another at the drop of a hat. Keep away from Grass Hoppers (not the bugs). Once I tested the Scags, there was no need to shop around anymore.
I had a ZD 326 Kubota 60". It had around 700 hours on it. I bought a Tiger Cat Scag last Summer. It was doing so much better job for me that I traded the 326 in and bought another Tiger Cat. The Velocity deck cuts stemmed grass like Pensacola Bahia better than any mower I personally have ever witnessed.
We took our two Tiger Cats this past Friday and cut 2 Acres of Bahia in one pass that there is absolutely no way that the Kubotas or anything else I have seen work would have cut as clean in one pass. We would honestly have not got as good of cut in two,passes with the Kubota mowers.
I still have a ZG 222 Kubota and will probably sell it next year and get a third Tiger Cat. They are awesome little mowers.
#57
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UN 1263
Same here.
The OP reminds me of me in 2005 when I walked into my Scag dealer and said I need a high 20-something HP mower w 60" deck. The store owner said for what? Do you cut 20 football fields per day? I said I have 5 acres of which 3.5 gets cut.
He just laughed and sold me 19/48 Kawi Tiger Cub. My front yard is two acres with 30 trees and it takes 41-45 minutes to cut that. Fast enough.
I have 470 hrs on said mower and its been flawless. I purchased another home and when my old home sells, the new owner is buying the Scag only because I have new mower fever.
FYI- 61" deck is HUGE unless you have a super flat piece of land to cut. If not, you're going to be scalping in uneven terrain.
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UN 1263
Tiger Cat Scags are less than $9K and we are having excellent results with the two we are running. One is close to 400 hours now and the other is close to 200. No problems at all. Much of the cutting has been brutal.
Same here.
The OP reminds me of me in 2005 when I walked into my Scag dealer and said I need a high 20-something HP mower w 60" deck. The store owner said for what? Do you cut 20 football fields per day? I said I have 5 acres of which 3.5 gets cut.
He just laughed and sold me 19/48 Kawi Tiger Cub. My front yard is two acres with 30 trees and it takes 41-45 minutes to cut that. Fast enough.
I have 470 hrs on said mower and its been flawless. I purchased another home and when my old home sells, the new owner is buying the Scag only because I have new mower fever.
FYI- 61" deck is HUGE unless you have a super flat piece of land to cut. If not, you're going to be scalping in uneven terrain.
#58
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Mike Hawk
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Mike Hawk
OP here.
John Deere Z930M 60" with the Kohler 26.5hp EFI and JD's version of the Michigan High Back suspension seat is on order. Hope to take possession of it sometime in early July.
Reason I went with the JD is I have a buddy that works at the local dealer so I can get the hookup on parts/service. Also reading reviews that the 7 Iron Pro deck is the shiznit in cut quality was also a huge selling point. Haven't read much on comfort with the Ztraks so hopefully the suspension seat will be enough.
And yes, I fully realize a $5k mower would be sufficient. But I'd rather just pay a bit more for the premo upgrades the real commercial mowers bring and the piece of mind. Will I notice a difference? Who knows.... I never "my yard" demoed anything.
John Deere Z930M 60" with the Kohler 26.5hp EFI and JD's version of the Michigan High Back suspension seat is on order. Hope to take possession of it sometime in early July.
Reason I went with the JD is I have a buddy that works at the local dealer so I can get the hookup on parts/service. Also reading reviews that the 7 Iron Pro deck is the shiznit in cut quality was also a huge selling point. Haven't read much on comfort with the Ztraks so hopefully the suspension seat will be enough.
And yes, I fully realize a $5k mower would be sufficient. But I'd rather just pay a bit more for the premo upgrades the real commercial mowers bring and the piece of mind. Will I notice a difference? Who knows.... I never "my yard" demoed anything.