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4 stroke hand held equipment

#1

PVHIII

PVHIII

All of my hand held equipment is 4 stroke and I've had good luck with'm...I like the extra torque and the time and money saved from not having to mix fuel... I'd like to hear some feedback from others who use 4 stroke and some LCO'S who do..will they hold up for commercial use? Why? and why not thanks


#2

Ric

Ric

All of my hand held equipment is 4 stroke and I've had good luck with'm...I like the extra torque and the time and money saved from not having to mix fuel... I'd like to hear some feedback from others who use 4 stroke and some LCO'S who do..will they hold up for commercial use? Why? and why not thanks


What kind of 4 stroke are you using? Personally I really like the Stihl 4mix hand held equipment which is 4 stroke. I run the BR 550 blower, Fs 90r and 110r Fc90 have ever since I started, I do have some 2 stroke stuff I use some but much prefer the 4mix and the Stihl line of equipment.


#3

PVHIII

PVHIII

What kind of 4 stroke are you using? Personally I really like the Stihl 4mix hand held equipment which is 4 stroke. I run the BR 550 blower, Fs 90r and 110r Fc90 have ever since I started, I do have some 2 stroke stuff I use some but much prefer the 4mix and the Stihl line of equipment.

All Troy-built hand held equipment... not commercial grade but I run the hell out of'm...I have a ton of weed eating and blowing to do on my property.. but I run only premium fuel in all my equipment ( no ethanol ) and I do frequent oil changes with Royal Purple synthetic oil..I'm just as anal about my maintenance as I am my work


#4

PVHIII

PVHIII

What kind of 4 stroke are you using? Personally I really like the Stihl 4mix hand held equipment which is 4 stroke. I run the BR 550 blower, Fs 90r and 110r Fc90 have ever since I started, I do have some 2 stroke stuff I use some but much prefer the 4mix and the Stihl line of equipment.

And all I've done to'm in 4yrs of use is oil and plug changes..never have to pull more than twice to start...my weed eater is electric start but the only time I use the starter is for fun:laughing:


#5

Ric

Ric

And all I've done to'm in 4yrs of use is oil and plug changes..never have to pull more than twice to start...my weed eater is electric start but the only time I use the starter is for fun:laughing:


The four stroke equipment is real good equipment no doubt. I really like the four stoke and the reason I went with the Stihl was the weight difference. You still get the power and torque but without the added weight of the crankcase and oil to carry all day long. The only things I've ever had to do is change plugs and air filters and clean the spark arresting screen on occasion other than that they've been great units for the last seven years.


#6

PVHIII

PVHIII

The four stroke equipment is real good equipment no doubt. I really like the four stoke and the reason I went with the Stihl was the weight difference. You still get the power and torque but without the added weight of the crankcase and oil to carry all day long. The only things I've ever had to do is change plugs and air filters and clean the spark arresting screen on occasion other than that they've been great units for the last seven years.

Thanks for your Input.. was just wondering about it after my dealer told me all 4 stroke hand held stuff was junk


#7

Ric

Ric

Thanks for your Input.. was just wondering about it after my dealer told me all 4 stroke hand held stuff was junk


I don't know why but I've just had a feeling that the two stroke equipment is going to be going obsolete in the near future. I know that most of the two stroke outboard motors we used to run are now four stroke and when Stihl went to there 4 mix engines it got me wondering how much longer the two stroke was going to be around. From what I understand Echo had applied for there version of the 4 mix engine and was turned down because Stihl already had the patient.


#8

PVHIII

PVHIII

I don't know why but I've just had a feeling that the two stroke equipment is going to be going obsolete in the near future. I know that most of the two stroke outboard motors we used to run are now four stroke and when Stihl went to there 4 mix engines it got me wondering how much longer the two stroke was going to be around. From what I understand Echo had applied for there version of the 4 mix engine and was turned down because Stihl already had the patient.

That explains my dealers comments....all he sells is Echo...and I noticed you refer to'm as "4 mix"...is there a difference between 4 mix and regular 4 stroke?


#9

Ric

Ric

That explains my dealers comments....all he sells is Echo...and I noticed you refer to'm as "4 mix"...is there a difference between 4 mix and regular 4 stroke?


The regular 4 stroke has the crank case the holds your oil and you carry all that around with you all the time and you change the oil like once a year or whatever. The Stihl 4 mix unit is a 4 cycle or stroke engine that runs on a 2 cycle mix same as a 2 stroke engine thus the name 4 mix. You get still get the advantages of the 4 stroke engine the power and torque but without the added weight of the crankcase and oil.


I mention the weight difference, for example my FS 90 Stihl has a 31.4cc engine and weighs 11.7lbs. The Honda 4 stroke trimmer, there small unit with a 25cc engine weighs 13lbs, there large unit with a 35 cc engine weighs 15.4 lbs and when you carry or use a trimmer all day that's a big difference.


#10

M

MRCo.

First comment is that the Stihl isn't a true 4 cycle, but has valves like a 4 cycle. They have the torque but are a pita when the carb blips, it's basically time for a new one.

For a four cycle, there are certain advantages- more torque, lower noise and easier starts than two cycle. But thevissue is that the oil needs to stay reservoired in thevbottom of the crank case so they have a limited range of motion- you cant, say, invert them.

In 4 stroke there are only two serious choices: Honda and Dolmar. Honda make great engines, period. But their trimmers are heavy, as already mentioned. Great performers...heavy.

Dolmar 4 cycles are excellent machines, not very well known...but once you try one you will be impressed. They are as light and compact as an equivalent two stroke. And the big deal is that Dolmar have a 360 degree use 4 cycle, including the new multi tool that was at GIE. No one else has that. You should check them out.


#11

Ric

Ric

First comment is that the Stihl isn't a true 4 cycle, but has valves like a 4 cycle. They have the torque but are a pita when the carb blips, it's basically time for a new one.

For a four cycle, there are certain advantages- more torque, lower noise and easier starts than two cycle. But thevissue is that the oil needs to stay reservoir-ed in the bottom of the crank case so they have a limited range of motion- you cant, say, invert them.

In 4 stroke there are only two serious choices: Honda and Dolmar. Honda make great engines, period. But their trimmers are heavy, as already mentioned. Great performers...heavy.

Dolmar 4 cycles are excellent machines, not very well known...but once you try one you will be impressed. They are as light and compact as an equivalent two stroke. And the big deal is that Dolmar have a 360 degree use 4 cycle, including the new multi tool that was at GIE. No one else has that. You should check them out.

Yes The Stihl 4 mix engine is a true 4 cycle engine, it's a single cylinder four-stroke engine with gas-oil lubrication. It may not be the old 4 stroke as you know it but never the less it's a true four stroke engine and unlike the old 4 stroke you can use the stihl in any position, there are no limitations.


#12

M

MRCo.

We can argue semantics on that one. Officially, it is a "4 stroke hybrid"- termed that by Stihl themselves. A true 4 banger has an oil reservoir, the lubrication and fuel systems are separate.


#13

J

jtk

I would argue that if an engine has a cycle that is: Intake, Compression, Power, Exhaust it is a 4 stroke regardless of where the oil is contained


#14

PVHIII

PVHIII

I would argue that if an engine has a cycle that is: Intake, Compression, Power, Exhaust it is a 4 stroke regardless of where the oil is contained
Yep....and I'd have to put that in category of "COMMON SENSE" :rolleyes:


#15

PVHIII

PVHIII

We can argue semantics on that one. Officially, it is a "4 stroke hybrid"- termed that by Stihl themselves. A true 4 banger has an oil reservoir, the lubrication and fuel systems are separate.

So if a two stroke outboard engine that has a separate reservoir for the two cycle oil a "two stroke hybrid" or is it four stroke because it has a separate oil reservoir...I see no logic in your post.. with all due respect


#16

Ric

Ric

We can argue semantics on that one. Officially, it is a "4 stroke hybrid"- termed that by Stihl themselves. A true 4 banger has an oil reservoir, the lubrication and fuel systems are separate.

From the Stihl Manual it's a single cylinder four stroke engine with gas-oil lubrication. As I said It may not be the old school 4 stroke as you know it but never the less it's a true four stroke engine.


#17

Ric

Ric

We can argue semantics on that one. Officially, it is a "4 stroke hybrid"- termed that by Stihl themselves. A true 4 banger has an oil reservoir, the lubrication and fuel systems are separate.

A true 4 banger has an oil reservoir, the lubrication and fuel systems are separate. So do some two strokes engines so what's your point? I'll have to do a search but I've never heard stihl refer to them as hybrid, at least it's not in there manual.


#18

PVHIII

PVHIII

A true 4 banger has an oil reservoir, the lubrication and fuel systems are separate. So do some two strokes engines so what's your point? I'll have to do a search but I've never heard stihl refer to them as hybrid, at least it's not in there manual.

It wouldn't matter...even if Stihl did refer to them as a hybrid...IT'S STILL A TRUE 4 STROKE...only difference is in how it's lubricated.. which doesn't change the stroke..your 100% correct ..a four stroke is a four stroke even it required no oil whatsoever


#19

M

MRCo.

I would argue that if an engine has a cycle that is: Intake, Compression, Power, Exhaust it is a 4 stroke regardless of where the oil is contained
I would agree.


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