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Jul 2, 2014#1

jekjr

Are any of you guys using one of the 30" walk behind mowers?

We are going to need something like that very soon. We have been putting it off but it is getting to be obvious it has to happen soon.

Jul 3, 2014#2

Mike88se

jekjr said:
Are any of you guys using one of the 30" walk behind mowers?

We are going to need something like that very soon. We have been putting it off but it is getting to be obvious it has to happen soon.

I have a 30" Turfmaster if that helps. Pretty sure others here do too. I can't complain about it except for the bail. I liked the personal pace style of the Timemaster more than this.

Jul 3, 2014#3

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mowerman05

exmark 30 here. just a little heavy to pull backwards. cuts nice

Jul 3, 2014#4

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sjessen

I have both the Timemaster and the 30" Exmark. What questions do you have?

Jul 3, 2014#5

jekjr

sjessen said:
I have both the Timemaster and the 30" Exmark. What questions do you have?

How fast is the Time Master? Right now we have a home owner 21" Snapper. It is so slow that much if the time we end up pushing it.

We run larger equipment and are not familiar with these type mowers.

Jul 3, 2014#6

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sjessen

jekjr said:
How fast is the Time Master? Right now we have a home owner 21" Snapper. It is so slow that much if the time we end up pushing it.

We run larger equipment and are not familiar with these type mowers.

I think it is close to 4 mph. All of the 30's struggle a bit on hills, the Timemaster perhaps the worst. That said, in normal use it goes as fast as most would want to walk. The cut is good, especially with the commercial blades. Timemaster is a bit low on power, especially mulching in thick grass. Mower has been a bit glitchy. Engine has had a governor issue. Nothing serious just niggling little things.

Saw you are using a home owner 21". If you like that mower other than the speed you should be happy with the Timemaster. Sometimes you can find a return at Home Depot for around $750. Most of the returns are because the drive cable needed adjusting and the purchaser thought the trans was going out.

My ideal 30" mower would be a Timemaster with the commercial kawi engine on the Turfmaster.

Jul 3, 2014#7

exotion

So buy a kawi engine.... The turfmaster is what like$2000? The time master is only 1000 a kawi engine can't possibly cost 1000... Couple cables a kawi engine and a few hours labor you can build one less than a turf master cost.

Jul 3, 2014#8

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sjessen

exotion said:
So buy a kawi engine.... The turfmaster is what like$2000? The time master is only 1000 a kawi engine can't possibly cost 1000... Couple cables a kawi engine and a few hours labor you can build one less than a turf master cost.

The kawi engine on the turfmaster is about $350. Don't know what else would need to be changed. If I have some extra quarters I may try to do this over the winter.

Jul 3, 2014#9

exotion

I to fell in love with the toro personal pace system. The rest of that mower didn't hold up

seems like a good match. The machine would be lighter and better drive system. Would probably need to find a way to configure the blade stop system I think that will be the hardest part. Front caster wheels are only $100 and would bolt on the front of the time master deck think about that machine

Jul 4, 2014#10

jekjr

I have never seen either. In the little towns around us there are no toro dealers that sell those type mowers. Down here every commercial guy I know runs zero turns. Few even have a push/walk behind on the trailer. If they can't cut it with a zero turn or a weedeater they don't cut it.

Jul 5, 2014#11

jekjr

exotion said:
I to fell in love with the toro personal pace system. The rest of that mower didn't hold up seems like a good match. The machine would be lighter and better drive system. Would probably need to find a way to configure the blade stop system I think that will be the hardest part. Front caster wheels are only $100 and would bolt on the front of the time master deck think about that machine

I see Time Master mowers listed at Home Depot with electric start. Do you recommend spending the extra for that?

Jul 5, 2014#12

exotion

Maybe for residential users. Commercial its kinda pointless you have to charge the battery and makes it heavier. If you do it commercially man up and pull the cord

Jul 5, 2014#13

Ric

jekjr said:
I see Time Master mowers listed at Home Depot with electric start. Do you recommend spending the extra for that?

Push mowers with electric start aren't worth the money. I have one and the battery isn't worth anything, it basically has to be charged daily.

Jul 5, 2014#14

Ric

jekjr said:
Are any of you guys using one of the 30" walk behind mowers?

We are going to need something like that very soon. We have been putting it off but it is getting to be obvious it has to happen soon.

If your interested in a 30" mower just buy the Turfmaster or the 30 " Exmark and be done with it. It's well worth extra money. To buy the timemaster plus the kawasaki engine to replace the briggs would really be dumb, you'd have 1400$ plus in the stuff then have to build it, The Turfmaster can be purchased for like $1699. The problem with the Timemaster is that the Briggs 190cc engine doesn't have enough power for the twin blades and it plugs up and bogs down is what everyone says or claims.

Jul 5, 2014#15

jekjr

Ric said:
If your interested in a 30" mower just buy the Turfmaster or the 30 " Exmark and be done with it. It's well worth extra money. To buy the timemaster plus the kawasaki engine to replace the briggs would really be dumb, you'd have 1400$ plus in the stuff then have to build it, The Turfmaster can be purchased for like $1699. The problem with the Timemaster is that the Briggs 190cc engine doesn't have enough power for the twin blades and it plugs up and bogs down is what everyone says or claims.

That is what I am looking at is the Toro Time Master. Problem for me is I do not know of a dealer close by for either. My dealer that sells the other equip was talking about taking on Toro and they did have Exmart and dropped it. Nobody around here uses those type mowers that I have seen.

Jul 5, 2014#16

exotion

The way I look at it is this. They are relatevly new machines only been on the market about a year or so. They are working on all the kinks and bugs still. From what I hear is that neither have enough ground speed, the timemaster is under powered, and the turfmaster is cumbersum and takes a lot of space on the trailer

Jul 5, 2014#17

Ric

exotion said:
The way I look at it is this. They are relatevly new machines only been on the market about a year or so. They are working on all the kinks and bugs still. From what I hear is that neither have enough ground speed, the timemaster is under powered, and the turfmaster is cumbersum and takes a lot of space on the trailer

As far as ground speed on self propelled push mower goes I don't think any have a ground speed of over about 4 mph including the above mentioned. Both the Time Master and Turf master are are the same size and the Turfmaster weighs a little more but is no more cumbersome than the other and with the KAI engine it actually mows easier than the Timemaster. As far as taking up space on the trailer, I'll gladly give up 9 inches when you consider it cuts my mowing time by a third over a 21" mower.

Jul 5, 2014#18

jekjr

When I was a kid mowing grass I had a push mower. I think it was a 21 or 22 inch.

We now have a 21" Snapper self propelled walk behind. We use it on some yards primarily inside fences ect.

We need something primarily that is faster. A 30" would be wonderful. Because there are so few operators in our area that use these type mowers I honestly do not know what to get.

I honestly do not know an operator in our area that uses a push mower or walk behind. I believe adding one will increase the quality of work we can offer.

Jul 6, 2014#19

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sjessen

jekjr said:
When I was a kid mowing grass I had a push mower. I think it was a 21 or 22 inch.

We now have a 21" Snapper self propelled walk behind. We use it on some yards primarily inside fences ect.

We need something primarily that is faster. A 30" would be wonderful. Because there are so few operators in our area that use these type mowers I honestly do not know what to get.

I honestly do not know an operator in our area that uses a push mower or walk behind. I believe adding one will increase the quality of work we can offer.

Look for a good used commercial 30". Have seen some in the $12-1300 range. I like the Timemaster for the lighter weight aspect. Otherwise, the commercial units are superior.

Jul 6, 2014#20

Ric

sjessen said:
Look for a good used commercial 30". Have seen some in the $12-1300 range. I like the Timemaster for the lighter weight aspect. Otherwise, the commercial units are superior.

Finding a good 30" used self propelled push commercial is going to be hard to do. Not many people have one because of the cost involved and the people who do have one will be holding on to them.

Jul 6, 2014#21

exotion

I've only seen 2 on craigslist. One was because he broke the deck and was selling for parts still wanted 1000. The other was a local guy that sells pre set up lawn trailers. His packages are a custom trailer one toro proline one toro turfmaster. Echo weedeater echo edger echo handheld blower. He sells these packages for 5k I would buy one but don't have 5k to blow next time I see the packages ill post a pic here its really a good deal with the trailer

Jul 6, 2014#22

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sjessen

Ric said:
Finding a good 30" used self propelled push commercial is going to be hard to do. Not many people have one because of the cost involved and the people who do have one will be holding on to them.

Ric, actually I have seen several for sale recently on LawnSite. These are units that either the guys just did not like, it did not work for their business model , etc. Quite often, someone will purchase a unit, use it very little and then decide they no longer want it. Personal story, have found almost new commercial mowers for half price on EBay, etc. One has to diligent about checking the sites and be willing to act quickly.

One person's opinion here, the problems with these mowers are not due to the inability of the engineers to come up with a good product but rather the realities of meeting certain price points and profit margins. When other manufacturers enter the market the added competition will result in an improved product.

Jul 6, 2014#23

exotion

Time will also add a better product. I predict different transmissions in these machines.

Jul 6, 2014#24

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sjessen

exotion said:
Time will also add a better product. I predict different transmissions in these machines.

Engines too. Am guessing the engine and trans manufacturers are all working on better versions of these components.

Jul 6, 2014#25

exotion

Ya even the kawi seems like it needs more power. It is the same engine that's on my toro. And it doesn't have that much power (enough for the 21" to so everything it needs to) but 9 more inches and 2 blades seems like it should have a 9-10hp engine

Jul 6, 2014#26

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sjessen

exotion said:
Ya even the kawi seems like it needs more power. It is the same engine that's on my toro. And it doesn't have that much power (enough for the 21" to so everything it needs to) but 9 more inches and 2 blades seems like it should have a 9-10hp engine

It's about 20% better than the Briggs on the Timemaster and is fine for side discharge or bagging but it struggles a bit in heavy mulching. A 9 hp engine would be great if it had plenty of torque.

Jul 6, 2014#27

Ric

exotion said:
Ya even the kawi seems like it needs more power. It is the same engine that's on my toro. And it doesn't have that much power (enough for the 21" to so everything it needs to) but 9 more inches and 2 blades seems like it should have a 9-10hp engine

You say you have Older commercial Toro with BBC and 5hp Suzuki Engine, that's not the kawasaki engine?? which Toro or model toro do you have??

Jul 6, 2014#28

exotion

I bought a new proline a little bit ago. Got tired of fixing the old one

Jul 8, 2014#29

jekjr

Supposed to be getting a new 30" Time Master. Hopefully before the end of the week.

Jul 8, 2014#30

Mike88se

jekjr said:
Supposed to be getting a new 30" Time Master. Hopefully before the end of the week.

I don't think you'll regret it. I've owned both and the biggest difference I've seen is the Turfmaster is built to stand up to more abuse, or lets say it doesn't need to be handled as carefully as far as everyday trailering and use by people who might not be as careful in handling it as the person who paid for it. The Turfmaster is a lot tougher. Also noticeably heavier and less nimble. And as has been mentioned the FJ180v KAI may be a great engine but it doesn't have the power to make the Turfmaster hands down better than the Timemaster.

Jul 8, 2014#31

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mowerman05

wish you a lot of luck with the drive system. dealer would not sell me one because he didn't want to get it back after the drive went out. went to the exmark 30, so far no problems. works good on ditchbanks as well.

Jul 9, 2014#32

jekjr

mowerman05 said:
wish you a lot of luck with the drive system. dealer would not sell me one because he didn't want to get it back after the drive went out. went to the exmark 30, so far no problems. works good on ditchbanks as well.

Buying something like that if you have never owned one is a difficult decision. There are those that brag on it and those that curse it. We are used to running Zero Turns and cutting acres of grass. This type mower is pretty much a new venture for me.
I guess time will tell. For me anyway this one will ride the trailer a lot more than it runs but when we need it we will have it.

I believe that owning a mower like this will give us a level of quality that others in our area do not have. Again time will tell.

Jul 9, 2014#33

exotion

Gotta say I really don't like the lines those 30" mowers leave... Just doesn't look as good as a good 21"

Jul 10, 2014#34

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mowerman05

Sounds like you have the know how to maintain and keep on top of things before they go bad. maybe you will get a good one and have zero issues.

Jul 10, 2014#35

Ric

Mike88se said:
I don't think you'll regret it. I've owned both and the biggest difference I've seen is the Turfmaster is built to stand up to more abuse, or lets say it doesn't need to be handled as carefully as far as everyday trailering and use by people who might not be as careful in handling it as the person who paid for it. The Turfmaster is a lot tougher. Also noticeably heavier and less nimble. And as has been mentioned the FJ180v KAI may be a great engine but it doesn't have the power to make the Turfmaster hands down better than the Timemaster.

I'd have to disagree. The Turf-Master is a lot better mower than the Time-Master especially when used commercially. I really don't know where people get the impression that the Kawasaki KAI engine is under powered. I run the Turf-master everyday and regardless of how high the grass I've never had an issue with it taking it down wet or not. I also run a CC 98H with a 190cc Honda engine and a Briggs 175cc engine, both 21" mowers and the Kawaski puts them both to shame. The big problem with these people who think there under powered is the fact they try manhandling the mower instead of letting the mower do the work as it was designed too.

Jul 10, 2014#36

jekjr

I picked it up this afternoon. It is definately much faster than my old snapper.

Jul 11, 2014#37

Ric

jekjr said:
I picked it up this afternoon. It is definately much faster than my old snapper.

Which one did you get?

Jul 11, 2014#38

jekjr

Ric said:
Which one did you get?

I got the Time-Master.

Jul 11, 2014#39

exotion

Well its been a couple days how is it?

Jul 12, 2014#40

jekjr

exotion said:
Well its been a couple days how is it?

We used it a few minutes yesterday and it worked great or appeared to. One of my employees ran it but he said it was incredibly better than what we had been using. 4 MPH is incredibly fast compared to the old snapper we have been using.

I personally only ran it for about 5 minutes or less right after I brought it home.

I think it will fill the bill of what we need.

I like the fact that you can run the motor and self propel part and not have the blades engaged. Several times places we go it is 50 to 100 yards from the trailer to where we will cut grass with this mower.

More times than not we won't run a tank of gas a week through this mower. However I think it will give us a level of quality that most other competitors in our area do not seem to have.

I know that 4 MPH and 30" wide is much better than 21" wide and either creeping forward or having to push.

Jul 12, 2014#41

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sjessen

jekjr said:
We used it a few minutes yesterday and it worked great or appeared to. One of my employees ran it but he said it was incredibly better than what we had been using. 4 MPH is incredibly fast compared to the old snapper we have been using.

I personally only ran it for about 5 minutes or less right after I brought it home.

I think it will fill the bill of what we need.

I like the fact that you can run the motor and self propel part and not have the blades engaged. Several times places we go it is 50 to 100 yards from the trailer to where we will cut grass with this mower.

More times than not we won't run a tank of gas a week through this mower. However I think it will give us a level of quality that most other competitors in our area do not seem to have.

I know that 4 MPH and 30" wide is much better than 21" wide and either creeping forward or having to push.

Based on your comments the Timemaster should be ideal.. Just remind your self it is a homeowner mower when the little things happen. Good luck on the purchase.

Jul 14, 2014#42

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Flyin2low

Cub Cadet has a 33" walk behind for a home owner. I've seen them on sale for $1200. I have the Sears Craftsman comparable model and it really works well compared to any 21" self propelled mower. No problems with power going up a hill. It pulls me up my hills pretty well. I've mowed some tall grass along our pasture fencing with it and it cuts through 12" grass without bogging down.

Jul 14, 2014#43

exotion

Flyin2low said:
Cub Cadet has a 33" walk behind for a home owner. I've seen them on sale for $1200. I have the Sears Craftsman comparable model and it really works well compared to any 21" self propelled mower. No problems with power going up a hill. It pulls me up my hills pretty well. I've mowed some tall grass along our pasture fencing with it and it cuts through 12" grass without bogging down.

I wont be using it as a residential mower

thats one of the reasons I want either the cub or ariens they are built much better than a craftsman or troy bilt. Granted its still a Homeowner machine but they are nicer. the craftsman looks small and fragile the cub is very heavy duty looking, and the ariens has some nice features. The one I would really like is the toro 32" with turbo force deck but that is going to run about $3000 all said and done and I could get a much better machine for 3g. and I dont want anything bigger than a 34" (50% of my houses have gates even a 34 would have trouble getting in.)

Jul 15, 2014#44

Lawnboy18

Can't wait for YBravo to bring up a 30" some day.

Aug 8, 2014#45

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OneMowTime

jekjr said:
That is what I am looking at is the Toro Time Master. Problem for me is I do not know of a dealer close by for either. My dealer that sells the other equip was talking about taking on Toro and they did have Exmart and dropped it. Nobody around here uses those type mowers that I have seen.

Any YBravo dealers in your area? They make a 26" walk-behind that's basically an enlarged version of their 21. I'd like to use one, but most of my accounts are postage stamp lawns with home-made gates into the back yards that I can BARELY squeeze my 21 Honda through!

Aug 8, 2014#46

Lawnboy18

OneMowTime said:
Any YBravo dealers in your area? They make a 26" walk-behind that's basically an enlarged version of their 21. I'd like to use one, but most of my accounts are postage stamp lawns with home-made gates into the back yards that I can BARELY squeeze my 21 Honda through!

Yea, where I bought my 21" they were selling the 25", but 2 K for a few more inches is a lot. I would maybe get the Toro 30" instead for the same price.

Aug 18, 2014#47

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bobvail

I've had many mowers as a home owner. Purchased a 21" Ariens with caster front wheels about eighteen years ago and it was the bomb. But it had a Tecumseh motor and the key on the flywheel or whatever kept breaking, so numerous trips to a repair shop and finally the last straw - couldn't fix

They had a rebranded Ariens at HD (Scotts) on sale so I bought it. This one had a Briggs motor and I haven't had a problem (except had to fix the pull rope). This mower is by far the best mower I've ever used and I still do use it, but it's pretty heavy. Cuts grass like a barber and has a good throw on the side discharge. I don't 'mulch' grass, just use the side discharge. Works just as well and no clumps.

But I have a fairly large yard and when it's in the high nineties I want to get it over with ASAP. Purchased a Time Master a couple of summers ago and got through some issues. It's really a good mower for me - cuts down mow time by about 40% and I like the Personal Pace thing. I had a 21" PP and it was ok, but this TM is a lot better.

Pros:

Starts on first pull just about every time. I would not bother with the battery starter, as this pulls easily and you would need to keep the battery charged with a charger. PIA and adds weight.

Although it's pretty heavy, it's quite easy to maneuver, even around trees.

Blade brake. Blade clutch allows one to step away from the mower to pick something up or empty bag if one is used. Can also go forward with the blade disengaged.

Handle folds up so can be stored within the size of the wheelbase.

Dual blades shred up fall leaves pretty well. I try to leave on the lawn until it gets out of hand.

Mower will go as fast as most folks would wish. Of course slower means nicer cut and easier on us seasoned citizens.

Cons:

Like many gas operated equipment, if stopped for a couple of minutes, takes 5 or 6 pulls to start back up. I switched to pure gas - no ethanol - and now that problem is reduce or eliminated. You can find stations that sell zero ethanol by downloading the app "Pure Gas" on your smart phone or maybe try Ethanol-free gas stations in the U.S. and Canada on your computer.

I call this mower a Clog-o-matic. The deck design because of the dual blade means a lot of buildup and after a while very inefficient discharge and buildup of cuttings fall out onto the lawn in clumps. Since I use the side discharge 95% of the time, I fixed that by taking a saw and cut off a couple of inches from the discharge chute.

The deck cleanout hose hookup is a joke. It gets clogged up and even when I unclogged it doesn't do much. Too much crap under the deck. I just put the handle up in the vertical position and tip the mower backwards onto the handle. Then the deck is exposed so that I can hose it off nice and clean. I do this when the gas tank is almost empty...DUH!

This mower works best when the grass is dry and not too long. About two inch cut works well. Any more and you will leave trails of clippings laying on the lawn, as the mower doesn't throw grass a good distance, unless you do my mod.

Mower comes with something called a power bar or power assist - whatever. I took it off because it just got in the way of my hands.

In conclusion, I recommend this mower for homeowners to cut down on mowing time and not have to fiddle with speed settings - just start walking and Walla! the mower does its thing. I am not a contractor, but IMHO, I'm thinking this was not really intended for heavy commercial use. No expert, but I would look more towards Gravely, Ariens, Cub for heavy duty stuff.

p.s. My stuff seems to run a lot better when I use the zero ethanol gas. I recently purchased an Echo trimmer that is warrantied for five years non-commercial use, but is void if the owner uses ethanol (even 10%). That is why I went on the hunt for the pure gas.

Aug 20, 2014#48

Mike88se

The Turfmaster has good points and bad but for me the bad has become irritating. Thinking of selling it.

Aug 21, 2014#49

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LoCo86

I can understand how the 30" mower can be appealing, but you can but two or three 20"-22" mowers with the money you are going to spend on one mower or you can buy a used 36" mower for just a little more money. For me I keep a foot difference between the mower deck size (22"-36"-52") the 30" never made any sense to me. Like I hinted to earlier if you can use a 30" you might as well buy a 36" and use a 20"-22" for the hard to reach areas or fenced in back yards. It's not like someone is fencing in a 1 acre lot and the only way to access it is through a 32" gate. Most yards that l have come across that have a small gate that only a push mower can fit through have very little grass inside that fenced area and mostly landscaped areas and patios.

Aug 21, 2014#50

LazerZLandscaping

bobvail said:
I've had many mowers as a home owner. Purchased a 21" Ariens with caster front wheels about eighteen years ago and it was the bomb. But it had a Tecumseh motor and the key on the flywheel or whatever kept breaking, so numerous trips to a repair shop and finally the last straw - couldn't fix They had a rebranded Ariens at HD (Scotts) on sale so I bought it. This one had a Briggs motor and I haven't had a problem (except had to fix the pull rope). This mower is by far the best mower I've ever used and I still do use it, but it's pretty heavy. Cuts grass like a barber and has a good throw on the side discharge. I don't 'mulch' grass, just use the side discharge. Works just as well and no clumps.

But I have a fairly large yard and when it's in the high nineties I want to get it over with ASAP. Purchased a Time Master a couple of summers ago and got through some issues. It's really a good mower for me - cuts down mow time by about 40% and I like the Personal Pace thing. I had a 21" PP and it was ok, but this TM is a lot better.

Pros:

Starts on first pull just about every time. I would not bother with the battery starter, as this pulls easily and you would need to keep the battery charged with a charger. PIA and adds weight.

Although it's pretty heavy, it's quite easy to maneuver, even around trees.

Blade brake. Blade clutch allows one to step away from the mower to pick something up or empty bag if one is used. Can also go forward with the blade disengaged.

Handle folds up so can be stored within the size of the wheelbase.

Dual blades shred up fall leaves pretty well. I try to leave on the lawn until it gets out of hand.

Mower will go as fast as most folks would wish. Of course slower means nicer cut and easier on us seasoned citizens.

Cons:

Like many gas operated equipment, if stopped for a couple of minutes, takes 5 or 6 pulls to start back up. I switched to pure gas - no ethanol - and now that problem is reduce or eliminated. You can find stations that sell zero ethanol by downloading the app "Pure Gas" on your smart phone or maybe try Ethanol-free gas stations in the U.S. and Canada on your computer.

I call this mower a Clog-o-matic. The deck design because of the dual blade means a lot of buildup and after a while very inefficient discharge and buildup of cuttings fall out onto the lawn in clumps. Since I use the side discharge 95% of the time, I fixed that by taking a saw and cut off a couple of inches from the discharge chute.

The deck cleanout hose hookup is a joke. It gets clogged up and even when I unclogged it doesn't do much. Too much crap under the deck. I just put the handle up in the vertical position and tip the mower backwards onto the handle. Then the deck is exposed so that I can hose it off nice and clean. I do this when the gas tank is almost empty...DUH!

This mower works best when the grass is dry and not too long. About two inch cut works well. Any more and you will leave trails of clippings laying on the lawn, as the mower doesn't throw grass a good distance, unless you do my mod.

Mower comes with something called a power bar or power assist - whatever. I took it off because it just got in the way of my hands.

In conclusion, I recommend this mower for homeowners to cut down on mowing time and not have to fiddle with speed settings - just start walking and Walla! the mower does its thing. I am not a contractor, but IMHO, I'm thinking this was not really intended for heavy commercial use. No expert, but I would look more towards Gravely, Ariens, Cub for heavy duty stuff.

p.s. My stuff seems to run a lot better when I use the zero ethanol gas. I recently purchased an Echo trimmer that is warrantied for five years non-commercial use, but is void if the owner uses ethanol (even 10%). That is why I went on the hunt for the pure gas.

Scotts is made by John Deere, not Ariens.

Aug 27, 2014#51

jekjr

We have been using our Time Master 30" mower for weeks now. It is doing a great job for us.

Aug 27, 2014#52

smallenginemechanic

What until toro works out the kinks with the turf master. They have many problems with them right now what they are getting sorted out. The shop I work at are not even selling them anymore and we refuse to order more until they fix the problems, we have even talked to the engineers for toro. They have fixed the idler pulley problem with the blade assm.

Aug 27, 2014#53

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sjessen

smallenginemechanic said:
What until toro works out the kinks with the turf master. They have many problems with them right now what they are getting sorted out. The shop I work at are not even selling them anymore and we refuse to order more until they fix the problems, we have even talked to the engineers for toro. They have fixed the idler pulley problem with the blade assm.

What are the other problems?

Aug 27, 2014#54

smallenginemechanic

I've changed out hundreds of idler pulleys in the blade spindle assm. They just redesigned the pulley and ive installed a handful but it hasn't been long enough to tell if they work or not. That's their biggest problem because when those fail it tears up every thing(blades,cog belt, blade PTO belt, tensioner pulley,etc..) They've also had problems with transmissions going out. I think the weight of the unit is to much for the transimision. They've also had problems with the rear pivot arms being bent out of the factory and rubbing against the dust cover. There are other problems like engine mounting bolts coming loose. Those are some of the problems. They also have problems with the new 22295 that's what I've been working on lately.

Aug 27, 2014#55

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sjessen

smallenginemechanic said:
I've changed out hundreds of idler pulleys in the blade spindle assm. They just redesigned the pulley and ive installed a handful but it hasn't been long enough to tell if they work or not. That's their biggest problem because when those fail it tears up every thing(blades,cog belt, blade PTO belt, tensioner pulley,etc..) They've also had problems with transmissions going out. I think the weight of the unit is to much for the transimision. They've also had problems with the rear pivot arms being bent out of the factory and rubbing against the dust cover. There are other problems like engine mounting bolts coming loose. Those are some of the problems. They also have problems with the new 22295 that's what I've been working on lately.

Thanks for the info.

Aug 28, 2014#56

jekjr

smallenginemechanic said:
I've changed out hundreds of idler pulleys in the blade spindle assm. They just redesigned the pulley and ive installed a handful but it hasn't been long enough to tell if they work or not. That's their biggest problem because when those fail it tears up every thing(blades,cog belt, blade PTO belt, tensioner pulley,etc..) They've also had problems with transmissions going out. I think the weight of the unit is to much for the transimision. They've also had problems with the rear pivot arms being bent out of the factory and rubbing against the dust cover. There are other problems like engine mounting bolts coming loose. Those are some of the problems. They also have problems with the new 22295 that's what I've been working on lately.

What problems are you seeing on the Time Master mowers?

Aug 28, 2014#57

smallenginemechanic

Few problems with the engin. They forgot to add a inline fuel filter, the tank filter won't stop the smaller debry causing the carburetor needle to not seat and hydro lock the engine and get fuel all in the oil. They've also got problems with the BBC cable breaking. Other than that they are great.

Aug 28, 2014#58

exotion

smallenginemechanic said:
Few problems with the engin. They forgot to add a inline fuel filter, the tank filter won't stop the smaller debry causing the carburetor needle to not seat and hydro lock the engine and get fuel all in the oil. They've also got problems with the BBC cable breaking. Other than that they are great.

They didn't forget to add a inline filter they just don't. My kawi didn't even come with one lol

Aug 28, 2014#59

smallenginemechanic

There's a bulletin on it. So obviously they forgot. Trust me man I do this for a living

Aug 30, 2014#60

Lawnboy18

I took mine out...

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