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Hi Friends,

SO my Z-Force L54 now has a mere 23 hours on it. And I can start the thing up just fine, then let it warm up for a minute or two, have the engine going 'bout half-throttle (or full.. either way), and engage the PTO, and it shuts the mower off. I sent it in for a lookover, and they said they sped up the RPMs a bit and that it works fine. They brought it back to me yesterday. It did the same thing. They said I just need to choke it about halfway and then the PTO will not shut down the engine. So I tried that, and it works great. OK...

SO... as you have probably figured out by now, I don't understand how this stuff works. My concern is.. is it a sign of something else wrong that needs to be addressed when a brand new mower with just 23 hours has to be choked to get the PTO going, even after it's nice and warmed up?

Thanks for any input you can give on this.

Is it a kohler engine? What ever engine is on it we need the numbers so it can be looked up to help fine your issue

Luffydog said:

Is it a kohler engine? What ever engine is on it we need the numbers so it can be looked up to help fine your issue

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I would put some kind of a carb cleaner in the in the gasoline sounds like you're high speed circuit is clogged.

When you engage the blades, it puts an abrupt, heavy load on the engine and rpm begins to decrease. The governor senses this decrease in rpm and opens the throttle to bring the engine back up to the rpm the throttle was set for.

When the throttle plate opens in the carburetor, it lets in a lot more air than was previously needed. The carburetor's job is to mix gas with this additional air, and quick. Auto carburetors used to have something called an accelerator pump just for this very reason. Small engines don't. To compensate, they high speed mixture is usually a little richer than needed for steady-state operation to make up for sudden changes in rpm. If this has not be done, the choke performs the same job as the accelerator pump in a carburetor so equipped.

It may be a matter of just adjusting the high-speed jet for a slightly richer mixture if you don't want to choke the engine when you engage the blades. Or, the carburetor may need cleaning so that the right amount of gas is going through the jets. It shouldn't, at only 23 hours, but stranger things have happened.

FWIW, I always engage the blades at the lowest rpm possible and have done away with anything that disengages the blades other than me. Saves wear and tear on the blade clutch.

Thanks all for the replies. I had wondered why I wasn't getting notifications about this thread. Just checked and they're in my Spam. Ha!

Anyway, so this is a kohler engine, yes. I don't have the numbers handy at the moment, but I'll try to get them later if I think of it.

As far as a clog, I would hope not. They already replaced the carburetor in this thing once!

cpurvis, I appreciate your explanation of how things work! As far as adjusting stuff or cleaning the carb, I'd like to learn that stuff but not comfortable yet. But I also just got it back from the shop and they didn't do any of that stuff, plus they always keep it for weeks. Only good thing is they don't charge me anything, probably because it's still so new and they know that would be absurd.

Stuck between a rock and a hard place.. I just wanted to make sure this problem isn't an indicator of a deeper, bigger issue.

jtphenom said:

Thanks all for the replies. I had wondered why I wasn't getting notifications about this thread. Just checked and they're in my Spam. Ha!

Anyway, so this is a kohler engine, yes. I don't have the numbers handy at the moment, but I'll try to get them later if I think of it.

As far as a clog, I would hope not. They already replaced the carburetor in this thing once!

cpurvis, I appreciate your explanation of how things work! As far as adjusting stuff or cleaning the carb, I'd like to learn that stuff but not comfortable yet. But I also just got it back from the shop and they didn't do any of that stuff, plus they always keep it for weeks. Only good thing is they don't charge me anything, probably because it's still so new and they know that would be absurd.

Stuck between a rock and a hard place.. I just wanted to make sure this problem isn't an indicator of a deeper, bigger issue.

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Have you seen the crap in the gas nowadays? Let alone the ethanol.

jtphenom said:

Thanks all for the replies. I had wondered why I wasn't getting notifications about this thread. Just checked and they're in my Spam. Ha!

Anyway, so this is a kohler engine, yes. I don't have the numbers handy at the moment, but I'll try to get them later if I think of it.

As far as a clog, I would hope not. They already replaced the carburetor in this thing once!

cpurvis, I appreciate your explanation of how things work! As far as adjusting stuff or cleaning the carb, I'd like to learn that stuff but not comfortable yet. But I also just got it back from the shop and they didn't do any of that stuff, plus they always keep it for weeks. Only good thing is they don't charge me anything, probably because it's still so new and they know that would be absurd.

Stuck between a rock and a hard place.. I just wanted to make sure this problem isn't an indicator of a deeper, bigger issue.

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It doesn't make any sense to me that you'd need to use the choke to engage the blades without killing the engine. Sounds like either a carburetor issue or maybe even a governor issue.
I think the shop is trying to pull a fast one by telling you to just use the choke. That's BS. And this is an instance where it's so good to be able to tell them with a straight face that you have not played with any of the settings whatsoever. They can't turn it around on you and claim you're the one that messed it up.

Kohler put out an update on some of these engines.

Luffydog said:

Kohler put out an update on some of these engines.

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Really? Can you please be more specific?

Luffydog said:

Is it a kohler engine? What ever engine is on it we need the numbers so it can be looked up to help fine your issue

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Engine is a KT740-725cc

bullrider said:

It doesn't make any sense to me that you'd need to use the choke to engage the blades without killing the engine. Sounds like either a carburetor issue or maybe even a governor issue.
I think the shop is trying to pull a fast one by telling you to just use the choke. That's BS. And this is an instance where it's so good to be able to tell them with a straight face that you have not played with any of the settings whatsoever. They can't turn it around on you and claim you're the one that messed it up.

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That's what I was thinking too. And I don't plan to play with any settings, for fear I may break something and/or void the warranty. I'm just not sure what to do about it now.

If this is a warranty your dealer can look up the updates. But yes some had bad heads casting that we had to drill out that is one bulletin. The other was for a evap hose. The other was the jet in the carb was to small and needed resized that is not an update or bulletin. You or your dealer can contact kohler or perfered power in your parts and ask for service tech. Tell them the problem your having with engine and with your dealer. They can point you in the right direction for your needs. But yes be aware if you touch it it will avoid the warranty!!!! Just be nice and patience it will work better for you and your dealer they might not ever had the problem that your mower is having. I had one doing the same thing kohler sent a new carb same thing so it might not help there but after the same thing happened I slightly jetted the old carb I pulled off then replaced it back on a bam ran good and haven't seen it since for that problem. This unit only had about 2/hrs on it when it came back in but it was doing it new from the start soon as he got it home but wasn't doing it when it was serviced and left the shop for delivery. Can't think of the service bulletin numbers right off the top of my head as of now. Can possibly be found at kohler plus or by googling service bulletins for your engine or updates.

I would bet that you have the Nikki Carb on it ............. How long did it dit for without starting it all winter ????

I just realized that my mower was out of gas as it died while I was mowing. I have about 4 acres. Last year I was able to mow at least one-and-a-half times before my 2.8 gal tank ran dry. Now it ran dry after half my lawn being mowed.

Anyone have any experience trying to get a warranty replacement for a mower from Cub Cadet?

Boudreaux In Eunice La. said:

I would bet that you have the Nikki Carb on it ............. How long did it dit for without starting it all winter ????

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What's a Nikki Carb?

It didn't sit that long. While the shop had it, they started it up numerous times. When it came back to me, I started it up numerous times.

jtphenom said:

I just realized that my mower was out of gas as it died while I was mowing. I have about 4 acres. Last year I was able to mow at least one-and-a-half times before my 2.8 gal tank ran dry. Now it ran dry after half my lawn being mowed.

Anyone have any experience trying to get a warranty replacement for a mower from Cub Cadet?

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Hopefully you mean a warranty carburetor replacement...
If it's using that much gas, does there seem to be a stronger exhaust smell to it? It's hard to imagine anything mechanical that could double your fuel usage without having failed by now (other than a carb problem).
There's one way to find out what's wrong... take it in!

jtphenom said:

What's a Nikki Carb?

It didn't sit that long. While the shop had it, they started it up numerous times. When it came back to me, I started it up numerous times.

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Nikki is a brand of carburetor.

Are you still having issue's with ????

I was at my big garden all afternoon and got back here well after dark and dealing with a death of my Uncle.....

That's why I'm posting late.......

If your mower is under warranty by all means bring it back and back and back again they will do it right for you if you do that........

I love getting Riding mowers and zero turns in my shop.... I get to test them out on my grass and my neighbors grass also.....

After a hour of cutting grass it's good to go ................... My neighbors love me ~!~!~!

bullrider said:

Hopefully you mean a warranty carburetor replacement...
If it's using that much gas, does there seem to be a stronger exhaust smell to it? It's hard to imagine anything mechanical that could double your fuel usage without having failed by now (other than a carb problem).
There's one way to find out what's wrong... take it in!

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Actually I meant getting the whole damn thing replaced.

It does smell a little stronger...

I keep having them come get it, but then I ain't got nothing to mow with! lol

Boudreaux In Eunice La. said:

Are you still having issue's with ????

I was at my big garden all afternoon and got back here well after dark and dealing with a death of my Uncle.....

That's why I'm posting late.......

If your mower is under warranty by all means bring it back and back and back again they will do it right for you if you do that........

I love getting Riding mowers and zero turns in my shop.... I get to test them out on my grass and my neighbors grass also.....

After a hour of cutting grass it's good to go ................... My neighbors love me ~!~!~!

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Yep, still having issues.

I'm sorry for your loss.