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19.5hp oppy starter gear

#1

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dudeface

Can somebody recommend a metal starter gear for a 19.5? Maybe all starter gears are the same, but I don't know anything about this stuff... Mine ate the old plastic one and I gather it'll probably do it again if I replace it with an OEM one.


#2

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Rivets

The experienced techs on this forum hate guessing when we have so little information. Without having all engine numbers we have no idea what you need Each engine manufacturer has multiple engines with multiple starters. You don’t even provide us with the engine brand. We are good at helping people on this forum, but our crystal balls are cloudy and ESP has not worked since COVID. You need to help us before we can help you.


#3

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Auto Doc's

dudeface,

Opposed twin cylinder or single cylinder? How many teeth were on the old gear? There were 3 different starter designs for most B&S.

Stamped numbers are in the metal top cover of the engine or in the top of the valve cover.

You have the mower and the problem, we don't.


#4

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dudeface

Rivets said:
The experienced techs on this forum hate guessing when we have so little information. Without having all engine numbers we have no idea what you need Each engine manufacturer has multiple engines with multiple starters. You don’t even provide us with the engine brand. We are good at helping people on this forum, but our crystal balls are cloudy and ESP has not worked since COVID. You need to help us before we can help you.
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I thought it was obvious since I posted in the Briggs section that it's a Briggs. It's a 19.5hp opposed twin in a '97 (I think) Craftsman LT1000.


#5

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dudeface

Auto Doc's said:
dudeface,

Opposed twin cylinder or single cylinder? How many teeth were on the old gear? There were 3 different starter designs for most B&S.

Stamped numbers are in the metal top cover of the engine or in the top of the valve cover.

You have the mower and the problem, we don't.
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16 teeth. Sorry to waste your time, I guess.


#6

R

Rivets

Not wasting my time, but yours, as we can’t help without good information. Briggs uses 3 different starters. If you can’t find engine numbers you’ll have a difficult time removing and replacing the hog ring which holds the Bendix in place. I’m speaking from experience here.


#7

StarTech

StarTech

You can't use a metal to replace the plastic if the flywheel gear is plastic or aluminum. It will eat up the ring then you have get a new flywheel.

BTW the metal ones is for 14 and 15 tooth ring gear setups. Even then you got the right one.

The hog ring persay is a lot easier to install with the right tool. And reuse the old ring when you can install a new one.


#8

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dudeface

StarTech said:
You can't use a metal to replace the plastic if the flywheel gear is plastic or aluminum. It will eat up the ring then you have get a new flywheel.

BTW the metal ones is for 14 and 15 tooth ring gear setups. Even then you got the right one.

The hog ring persay is a lot easier to install with the right tool. And reuse the old ring when you can install a new one.
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I was hoping there would be an alternative to having it eat up another gear, seeing as opposed twins like to chew up the plastic starter gears I thought maybe there'd be an aftermarket metal replacement.


#9

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Rivets

I don’t have the right tool, but I’ve done so many that a good side cutting pliers has become my go to tool. I’m just getting upset that so many come here thinking we have a crystal cutting and get mad when we require more info from them. Also, since battling sepsis for the last seven months my patience has been getting thinner.


#10

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dudeface

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#11

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dudeface

Rivets said:
I don’t have the right tool, but I’ve done so many that a good side cutting pliers has become my go to tool. I’m just getting upset that so many come here thinking we have a crystal cutting and get mad when we require more info from them. Also, since battling sepsis for the last seven months my patience has been getting thinner.
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What tool? I pried the c clip off the starter shaft with a screwdriver and took the starter off to get the gear off. Just need a new gear.


#12

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Auto Doc's

dudeface said:
I thought it was obvious since I posted in the Briggs section that it's a Briggs. It's a 19.5hp opposed twin in a '97 (I think) Craftsman LT1000.
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I have never figured out what "oppy" is supposed to mean. Is that a new Jargon?

Possibly a (new, used) starter is in order because the old one has very worn bushings. I recommend you find a used OE B/S opposed twin starter instead of any aftermarket junk. Briggs quit making new ones for these years ago.
New in the aftermarket world often means Never Ever Worked.... or they are often not made to fit correctly in several ways.


#13

sgkent

sgkent

my vote is that without the model, serial, and brand model / date, etc., that a part is for, photos - all of the above, chasing a part can be impossible. There is a recent thread on a simple valve guide stem that proves that. Since Covid so many people seem to think the world is only as big as what they experience, while it is really what billions of us experience too. It is like Covid had a narcissist gene in it.


#14

Tiger Small Engine

Tiger Small Engine

Auto Doc's said:
I have never figured out what "oppy" is supposed to mean. Is that a new Jargon?

Possibly a (new, used) starter is in order because the old one has very worn bushings. I recommend you find a used OE B/S opposed twin starter instead of any aftermarket junk. Briggs quit making new ones for these years ago.
New in the aftermarket world often means Never Ever Worked.... or they are often not made to fit correctly in several ways.
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“Oppy” means opposed twin.
People cannot get the correct parts at their local small engine shop without a model number of the mower or engine, depending upon application. However, getting upset face to face versus on the internet are two different things. You see this scenario play out over and over and over on this forum. Poster states no model number, etc. Someone trying to help says we need the information. Most of the time the poster gives information. Sometimes a back and forth argument follows with snarky comments. People are funny I tell you.


#15

StarTech

StarTech

Never mind the 19522 c-ring removal tool is NLA and the 18435 c-ring installation tool is now ungodly priced.

This is what we get when financial investment group takes over a good company. They run it into ground and then dumps it.


#16

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Auto Doc's

Tiger Small Engine said:
“Oppy” means opposed twin.
People cannot get the correct parts at their local small engine shop without a model number of the mower or engine, depending upon application. However, getting upset face to face versus on the internet are two different things. You see this scenario play out over and over and over on this forum. Poster states no model number, etc. Someone trying to help says we need the information. Most of the time the poster gives information. Sometimes a back and forth argument follows with snarky comments. People are funny I tell you.
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Hello Tiger Small Engine,

It's the "power" of being "anonymous" and "entitled" all rolled into one. Some folks do it without ever realizing.

Much of days society has no face-to-face interaction because of push button technology and "smart phones".


#17

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Auto Doc's

StarTech said:
Never mind the 19522 c-ring removal tool is NLA and the 18435 c-ring installation tool is now ungodly priced.

This is what we get when financial investment group takes over a good company. They run it into ground and then dumps it.
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Hello StarTech:

Why buy special tools they are only going to use once in their lifetime anyway?

A pair of good pocket screwdrivers, a pair of pliers, a hammer and a 5/16 deep socket are all they really need.

Then they watch a few videos online and they become a pro at it. LOL


#18

StarTech

StarTech

Oh well I was thinking more a shop that trying not someone that might end up needing medical help. I know from how easily you can hurt yourself doing this. Btw the 5/16 socket doesn't allow the c ring to open up.


#19

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Rivets

He said he took a C-clip off with a screwdriver. Maybe my age is getting to me, but I’ve never seen a C-clip used as a retainer on a Briggs starter. If he is to be believed I suspect someone has had this apart in the past. 10mm 1/4” deep socket works well for me.


#20

StarTech

StarTech

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#21

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Forest#2

Quite often a bad aluminum flywheel ring is what starts eating the fiber starter gear and it only takes one bad tooth on the flywheel ring which is easily overlooked. Also the China Clone fiber gears are weak.
(Briggs had a starter aluminum flywheel ring replacement kit but it's now a NLA item for the opposed twins.

I keep a eye and ear open for old Briggs flywheels that have been thrown out due to bad stator magnets and quite often they have a good flywheel ring.
Just grind the head off the rivets and then use 1/4 20 screw/bolts to mount instead of rivets.


#22

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Rivets

Star, that’s what I call a hog ring. C-clip to me looks like a snap ring with no holes for a pliers. Some people call them E-clips.


#23

StarTech

StarTech

Flat C clips [just one of several designs. This one has holding power and some don't list the transaxle axle C-clips. They can come is round wire types too. Just depend how far the C is made.
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E clips
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#24

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Rivets

I’m just showing my age and background. I guess we’re just calling them a different name, but we will end up with the same results When using the proper one.


#25

StarTech

StarTech

I worked office for 16 yrs and cam across a lot clips and rings. I have come across Speared End snap rings when I was tearing the 4L60E transmission. luckily knew a mechanic the right angle snap ring tool it required being a tight spot.

And there is at least other version snap ring that not picture that was use on VCRs.
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And even Stens apparently don't know the difference between Inverted Internal rings and External rings


#26

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Forest#2

I also call them Briggs starter c clips JESUS CLIPS.

When I pry it off carefully and it goes flying high and me listening for where it hits in the shop. Jesus where did that one go.


#27

sgkent

sgkent

"wire snap rings" like these https://www.amazon.com/HVAZI-14-Sizes-Internal-Assortment-7mm-30mm/dp/B0BGPJNCFQ very common on starters. Some smaller ones show up as socket locks on ratchets.


#28

StarTech

StarTech

or for us that a business account with Rotary; they are PN 10233. Of course we have to get them in lots of 10.

As for flying off that why you use a rag.


#29

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Auto Doc's

StarTech said:
or for us that a business account with Rotary; they are PN 10233. Of course we have to them in lots of 10.

As for flying off that why you use a rag.
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A piece of painter's tape works fairly well. Put it on the tip while working the ring off with a pair of pocket screwdrivers. If anything, it slows it down from jumping off into never see that again land.


#30

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Freddie21

If you would give the engine model number, we could verify what starter pn, but since you won't, try this info.

Just the gear is https://www.amazon.com/Everest-Bend...h+plastic+briggs+starter+gear,aps,139&sr=8-10

Gear kit in case you drop anything: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B085WX473...c2ff18f5c&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9kZXRhaWwy

And if you want to get a metal gear, this has it: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CSK3VDQ...=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9kZXRhaWxfdGhlbWF0aWM&th=1

But the plastic is used for a reason, a metal flywheel gear.

Make sure the motor shaft is clean and smooth. Gear should slid up and down, freely, as you turn the gear CCW. Check the flywheel for burrs.


#31

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Honest Abe

Starter Pinion Gear 695708​

and stop being snarky.....


#32

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Gord Baker

Go to a Dealer, get a new one. Done.


#33

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outdoorpowermike

Have you ever heard motor run? The plastic gear do wear out, and there's reasons why, and since the cover and flywheel will need to come off to replace the starter make sure flywheel key is not damaged, have a full charged battery, no gas in cylinders and all flywheel teeth are there valves are adjusted right. These engines are just about as good as they get. If you don't have the tool to replace ring gear just purchase a new starter with only the correct starter. Feed back your fix.


#34

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mmoffitt

I'm at a loss for words...cut right to the chase give as much information as one can on "said" piece of equipment.. Most of these guys willing to help you are "good"...no, REALLY GOOD..but they are not Magicians, Wizards or Miracle Workers..give em' what they need to be able to help as best they can!
They sure have helped this rookie here!


#35

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Auto Doc's

These engines have an aluminum tag riveted to the very top of the metal fan shroud. Pretty easy to find the model and type numbers.


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