New Tiger Cat Engines

Bmgillum

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I am in the market for a new 61" Tiger Cat...the promo engine this year is the B&S...at approximately 1K more is the Kohler and 1.3K over the Kohler is the Kawasaki...

I am looking for advice here...I would like to get the beat deal possible but have heard there are issues with the B&S engines...the dealer tells me that B&S has addressed the issues and that they are a quality engine...any thoughts would really be appreciated...

Thanks/bg

Edit...I guess I should add that I will be mowing approximately 5 acres once a week...

Cheers/bg
 
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Rule of thumb is,

If it costs you money then save money
If it makes you money then spend it.

Unless you let the grass grow 2' tall between mows, none of the engines will mow your 5 acres 1 miute faster than the other.
The Briggs & Kohler will cost about the same to maintain properly the Kwakka will cost about twice as much
 

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A Scag Tiger Cat is an upgraded Tiger Cub. I have a 2008 Tiger Cub 48" that was originally Briggs & Stratton 26HP ELS (Intek) powered. In 2012 I replaced the ELS engine with a 30 HP Briggs & Stratton Commercial Turf engine. This engine now has 200 hours on it and has performed very well for me. The 30 HP B & S Commercial Turf engine has been rerated to 27 HP along with a few mods. This is the B & S engine that is available on the 61" Tiger Cat along with Kohler and Kawasaki.
I also have a 2012 Hustler X-ONE 60" rear discharge, 23.5 HP Kawasaki FX730V.
As these machines are very different from each other, it is not easy to compare them. However, both engines have more than enough power to do above what is expected of them. Bear in mind that the Kawasaki F(S)730V was originally rated at 26 HP a few years back. With the addition of the two stage Donaldson air filter system on the Kawasaki FS 730V, the rated HP was reduced as it became a Kawasaki FX 730V engine to where it is now at 23.5 HP.
Good air filtration is important on most any machine, but more important on a Zero Turn machine.
At 300 hours, the Hustler still has it's original air filter elements, used primarily in an old cemetery, not too dusty.
At 200 hours, (800 hours on the machine) on the B & S on my Tiger Cub, I am on my 3rd air filter, however the Tiger Cub has a collection system on it about 90% of the time which increases the dust factor many times over compared to the Hustler.
As Scag Tiger Cat models vary, you need to do your homework to properly compare models. I do highly recommend the "Soft Seat" option available on most Tiger Cat models. I replaced the seat on my Tiger Cub with an aftermarket " soft seat" which has rider weight, lumbar, seat back angle and arm rest adjustments along with front/rear adjustments, nice seat!!!! Should have done this years ago!!!
Lots of info to digest, take your time, do your homework and educate yourself about Scag Tiger Cats.
Mad Mackie in CT:laughing::smile::biggrin:
 

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There are a lot of blown head gaskets on the smaller (craftsman engine) OHV Briggs and Stratton engines. Because I replaced the head gasket on my tractor when it was 4 years old, I wouldn't spend the money on another B&S if I had the choice. Removing the head on a machine with 100 hours is not something I enjoyed doing.

Perhaps the industral line of B&S OHV engines are well made. Mad mackie has good luck with his. My 2 cents
 

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The Tiger Cat is a newer version of the Cub, as M/M mentioned. I have an older Scag Tiger Cub with the 19hp Kaw engine. Been a fine product. I bought it because it was the best value when shopping around, and I think the Kaw engine line may have been the exclusive offering for the Cub at the time (that is obviously no longer true for the Cat)? It was the only engine I saw on all the Scags I looked at, but that was like 12 years ago ...

As for the engine choices today, I would not hesitate at all choosing the B&S engine for that model. That engine series is not your run-of-the-mill B&S that you'd see in a low dollar unit at Lowes or TSC. The Commercial engine is very well built; see this site: Scag Commercial Turf Equipment - Vanguard Engines
The Vanguard engines have been the top-of-the-line offering from B&S for years. Very robust.
My neighbor just bought the top-model of the Simplicity (called the Cobalt) and it came with a B&S Comm Turf engine on it. Both the mower and the engine seem very well built; solid and strong. Although he's not got a lot of hours on it yet, I see no reason he'll not get perhaps 20 years out of it mowing his 5 acres. I would be honest and say that it's built every bit as well as our Scag commercial units.
Here is the Vanguard site: Vanguard Commerical Power Engines | Vanguard Engines
Most, if not all, Vanguard engines come with forged connecting rods, fire-ringed head gaskets, etc. These are BUILT. These are NOT your Sears Craftsman el-cheapo engines.

It's not really fair to compare the CommTurf B&S to the lesser made Intek and such junk they offer. Those lesser grades are POS, IMO. My son has a 20HP Intek VTwin that he's toying with in his racer/mower and it's been a PITA. They are not built to last. Conversely the CommTurf is a Vanguard product and it's their top offering. I have read much about them and they seem very well made.

Now, I do believe the Koh and Kaw engines are possibly a bit better, but to be honest I think they are all so good it would be very difficult to distinguish the variances between them overall. Let's not pretend like Koh and Kaw don't occasionally have engine issues, either. Kaws in particular seem to like to burn up ignition coils at times ... Koh's can have some valve seat issues. The lesser grade Koh's (Courage line) is, to be polite, "iffy" and I'd rather rebuild an old engine than use a Courage. Even the Kaws have differing grades. The FS, FX, FD, FR, etc.

I'll note that as of this date (Jan 2015) even the Kaw offerings are different depending upon mower size; that's a concept I don't really understand ... Why is the Kaw FS offered in the smaller 48" Cat mower but the FX motor is in the 61" Cat mower? Why the "best" engine on the bigger unit in the same freakin' product line??? If I were to buy a mower today, I still would want the FX motor, but perhaps in the small deck. Why does Scag offer the higher grade engine ONLY in the larger deck mower of the same product line???? That just befuddles me to no end; I cannot explain it. If I understand correctly (and I may be wrong for all I know), the FS and FX are essentially the same or extremely similar, EXCEPT that the FX uses the external cyclone air filter whereas the FS uses the integral "normal" air filter. If I wanted a smaller deck, but was going to use it commercially, why not offer the FX with the 48" deck? For homeowner use it probably would not make any difference, but for commercial use the "better" filter would be something I'd want.

Essentially, when you pay for a commercial grade mower, you're going to get the top engine offering from each engine brand. The Vanguard is a very good line. As good as the Kaw? Meh ... maybe so, maybe not. But they are all good engines in their top offerings. I don't think you can go wrong with any of them.



Bottom Line suggestion:
If you are only mowing personal acreage at home, and not mowing commercially for 40-60 hours a week, then I'd not hesitate at all getting the B&S engine as offered in the Cat.
If you are going to flog that thing with a mowing crew you employ for 10 hours a day, six days a week, I might tend towards the extra expense of the Kaw FX engine.

Since you indicate it's 5 acres once a week, the B&S CommTurf should last you a LONG time. Why not save the $2000?
 
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Bmgillum

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Thanks for the replys, guys...they really helped...

Yesterday I pulled the trigger and bought the 61" Tiger Cat with a 27 hp B&S engine...it is now sitting in my basement garage waiting impatiently for some grass to grow...

Sold my 07 JD Z445 to a local lawn service...life is good!...

Cheers/bg
 

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The Tiger Cat is a nice machine, enjoy!!!
I was having some "cabin fever" the other day and visited my local JD, Scag and Tractor Supply Co just for cheap entertainment. Scag dealer has a new 52" Tiger Cat that I was drooling over!!! But having a 48" Tiger Cub/collection system/new engine and a Hustler X-ONE, I'm doing fine!!!
With 3' of snow and piles taller, all this must go away before the grass starts to greenup!!! Meanwhile, I get cabin fever waves every other day!!!
Last fall I installed a mid range suspension seat on my Tiger Cub, should have done this years ago!! While looking at the new Tiger Cat at the Scag dealer, I realized that the Scag suspension seat and the seat that I bought are not the same as I had thought. My seat is much heavier and keeps the seat switch pushed down, so I'll need to add some springs so I don't compromise the safety features of the machine.
Later
Mad Mackie in snow bound CT:laughing::biggrin::smile:
 

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I'm pleased with the performance of the B&S Commercial Turf engine that I repowered my Tiger Cub with. The B&S manual states that the air filter element can be tapped to remove the dust accumulation and I do this. The air filter elements last me 50-60 hours while using the collection system and I'm OK with this. I have noticed that dust accumulates on the flywheel of the B&S Commercial Turf engine and I blow it out with my back pack blower as I cleanup the machine following a mowing job. I buy B&S air filters and oil filters by the case from equipatrondotcom. I have three other B&S powered machines that use the same oil filter.
Was looking at my stock of mower blades and will order some soon for both machines. I do have an Oregon blade sharpener, but sharpening blades with it is a time consuming process. As my Hustler is used in a old cemetery, the blades get beatup so I scrap most of them.
Later
Mad Mackie in CT:laughing::biggrin::smile:
 
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